View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
  • Other

    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

    2 0.87%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One of my previous jobs, the people with kids got preference over days off, esp. weekends over the single people. It sucked. I wanted to show my horse on weekends...but no, divorced daddy had his kids and had to have off. BS.
    That indentured servitude must have been a horrible experience. Too bad you weren't a free person and could have quit your job.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    What kind of a sick poll is this??????????
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    That indentured servitude must have been a horrible experience. Too bad you weren't a free person and could have quit your job.
    I got more seniority. And then I did.

    Did that make it right?

    It was in the mid-80s, it wouldnt even be acceptable today and I would have an HR dept to take a grievance to. It was a city job.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I got more seniority. And then I did.

    Did that make it right?

    It was in the mid-80s, it wouldnt even be acceptable today and I would have an HR dept to take a grievance to. It was a city job.
    Sure it made it right. The way society is structured it really screws parents - society privatizes the costs of raising the kids onto parents but then socializes the economic benefits produced by the kids - those kids grow up to pay taxes which benefit other people more than their own parents. That's just obscene. So any efforts society makes to tilt the balance back towards parents is justified.

    Remove welfare redistribution from society and then your case becomes stronger. As it stands, other people's kids are going to be paying for your care in old age.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Sure it made it right. The way society is structured it really screws parents - society privatizes the costs of raising the kids onto parents but then socializes the economic benefits produced by the kids - those kids grow up to pay taxes which benefit other people more than their own parents. That's just obscene. So any efforts society makes to tilt the balance back towards parents is justified.

    Remove welfare redistribution from society and then your case becomes stronger. As it stands, other people's kids are going to be paying for your care in old age.

    That has nothing to do with having weekends off. If you dont want to make sacrifices for your kids, dont have 'em.


    I pay taxes too...for schools and other entitlements, for kids I dont have. So? That also sucks.

    At least parents have a CHOICE...if they dont like the cost of raising kids, they can minimize that and not have any...and just join the rest of us having our tax dollars sucked from us.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I get what you're saying, but this can just as easily be reversed. A lot of people want kids when they're younger, then realize what that implies when they get older and decide they'd rather not.

    But for some reason, people only question how much you know yourself if you say you DON'T want kids.

    The childfree come at all levels of intensity, just like parents. It means nothing about their commitment to their choice.
    I agree with you. If Ocean was just a vehement about having 5 kids, I would probably ask the same question and give her the same warning, especially about looking at so specific a number. I never really thought as a young man that I would have more than a couple of kids, but I ended up with 4 of my own and a step-son. Now I never really plan on a family size one way or another. There were many things in my life that I strongly denied I would do when younger that now I do. Logan's Law #3: Don't ever say "never". That's really my only message to Ocean.

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This phenomenon which you say is easily reversed and forms the basis of your rebuttal - prove it. Show us where this "A lot of people" information comes from other than your imagination. I'm really curious to see how your world view is shaped - is it by analyzing the world or is your view of the world shaped by your imagination and anything you concoct in that imagination is now, to you, a real world phenomenon.
    Where does our information come from of a lot of people who say they don't want any children when young and then having them when older come from? Same place as S&M's. It's all been anecdotal from the start. If you want S&M to put up her evidence then you need to include your own on the opposite end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Know what I think 'parents' hate the most about the child-free? We can take a nap anytime we feel like it!
    So what does/did you boss say about that while you were on the clock?
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Mind if I ask how old you are?

    Reason being, I have a younger daughter who has said the same about having children for all of her adult life. Now that she's married and has become an Aunt of two, she's slowly changing her mind.
    I'm 40+, and still loving the childfree choice just as much now as I did in my teens and twenties. I enjoy my life more BECAUSE I don't have kids, or husband either, so there is, thankfully, NO chance that I will change my mind. Hope that clears things up for you.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Another bingo I love. The "You don't know yourself, woman folk. Someday when you grow up and learn your place, you'll see things my way." It has a passive aggressive subtle twist, which is a nice touch. Clearly a veteran of the sport, here. I give it a 9.5 for style, 10 for patronizing tone, and 8.5 for subliminal fear of people (women?) breaking rank. Good showing.

    And your daughter has what to do with Ocean exactly? You do know women are not all identical and many of us never do change our minds, right? That is, assuming this isn't simply your wishful thinking.
    Yep, gotta love these conservative guys who "think" that women who don't want children -- or husband either for that matter -- have something "wrong" with them or are "too young to know their own mind," and other such nonsense.

    Just because HIS daughter is "slowly changing her mind" (maybe he WISHES that were true) doesn't mean I'M going to, not for a New York minute.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Since when am I doing any such thing?

    He said something about his daughter, some stranger as far as Ocean is concerned, and then leaped to the conclusion that whatever his daughter thinks must somehow mean something about what Ocean will think.
    Yep, the silly, archaic "all women are alike" ideology that conservative men love to believe.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    Yep, gotta love these conservative guys who "think" that women who don't want children -- or husband either for that matter -- have something "wrong" with them or are "too young to know their own mind," and other such nonsense.

    Just because HIS daughter is "slowly changing her mind" (maybe he WISHES that were true) doesn't mean I'M going to, not for a New York minute.
    Likely, those "Guys" have no other means of effecting your choices....as they are not physically capable of compelling you in any way. A "small" and "Shriveled".....uh....BRAIN would do that.

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