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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    At least three families, childless couples I know, raising adopted children. Even my homosexuals neighbors are raising a girl for many years. Another familie of my age, raised three own children, and adopted two other children from Russia.
    Сhildfree, is the pinnacle of selfishness. Or vice versa, cowardice. Know of, too. They live in the absence of love and the meaning of life.
    Geez, more NONSENSE, why does that not surprise me by now. Contrary to the silly "childfree is the pinnacle of selfishness" ideology you want everyone to believe, it is NOT "selfish" to refuse to reproduce.

    In my experience, the only people who spout such foolishness are, more often than not, self-righteous parents who are physically, emotionally, and/or financially struggling with the demands of two or more kids. Not surprisingly, such parents are openly resentful of childfree women (and CF men too) because we DON'T have those struggles and are grateful not to have them. I ceased taking such snarky remarks personally a long time ago, as they simply aren't worth taking seriously.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    Assuming you are being serious instead of sarcastic, all of this is complete NONSENSE. The childfree (no kids by choice) decision is just as valid and responsible as the decision to become a parent.

    Individuals (myself included) and couples who know they don't like or want children are making the wise and RESPONSIBLE decision not to have them. Too many people who have children for the wrong reasons -- like being shamed or guilted into having them instead of really WANTING to have them -- end up neglecting their kids or even worse, abusing them. It's cruel to put kids at risk of such treatment. One can't neglect or abuse what one doesn't have.
    Mind if I ask how old you are?

    Reason being, I have a younger daughter who has said the same about having children for all of her adult life. Now that she's married and has become an Aunt of two, she's slowly changing her mind.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Mind if I ask how old you are?

    Reason being, I have a younger daughter who has said the same about having children for all of her adult life. Now that she's married and has become an Aunt of two, she's slowly changing her mind.
    Another bingo I love. The "You don't know yourself, woman folk. Someday when you grow up and learn your place, you'll see things my way." It has a passive aggressive subtle twist, which is a nice touch. Clearly a veteran of the sport, here. I give it a 9.5 for style, 10 for patronizing tone, and 8.5 for subliminal fear of people (women?) breaking rank. Good showing.

    And your daughter has what to do with Ocean exactly? You do know women are not all identical and many of us never do change our minds, right? That is, assuming this isn't simply your wishful thinking.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Another bingo I love. The "You don't know yourself, woman folk. Someday when you grow up and learn your place, you'll see things my way." It has a passive aggressive subtle twist, which is a nice touch. Clearly a veteran of the sport, here. I give it a 9.5 for style, 10 for patronizing tone, and 8.5 for subliminal fear of people (women?) breaking rank. Good showing.

    And your daughter has what to do with Ocean exactly? You do know women are not all identical and many of us never do change our minds, right? That is, assuming this isn't simply your wishful thinking.
    I'll admit that young women (let's say all young people) are flighty as hell but, my inquiry was on the up and up. We never thought our youngest would EVER change her mind.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You do know women are not all identical and many of us never do change our minds, right?
    And a great many of you do. Why is he wrong for noting that? Why are you right for ignoring that?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Years and years ago, I had a job at a large Pep Boys selling tires, performance stuff, inventory and some counter sales.
    One day we got a new store manager. His first order of biz was to fire the cleaning staff.
    Came out with a chart of our names on top and days of the week on the side.
    His comment was "if you want to feed your kids, you will clean the toilets on your prescribed days".
    I promptly told him I had no kids, was not going to have any and pretty much told him where he could stick his chart.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    And a great many of you do. Why is he wrong for noting that? Why are you right for ignoring that?
    Since when am I doing any such thing?

    He said something about his daughter, some stranger as far as Ocean is concerned, and then leaped to the conclusion that whatever his daughter thinks must somehow mean something about what Ocean will think.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Another bingo I love. The "You don't know yourself, woman folk. Someday when you grow up and learn your place, you'll see things my way." It has a passive aggressive subtle twist, which is a nice touch. Clearly a veteran of the sport, here. I give it a 9.5 for style, 10 for patronizing tone, and 8.5 for subliminal fear of people (women?) breaking rank. Good showing.

    And your daughter has what to do with Ocean exactly? You do know women are not all identical and many of us never do change our minds, right? That is, assuming this isn't simply your wishful thinking.
    I do see WCH's point and I even asked Ocean the same question. Her response indicated that she's most likely (nothing's impossible) past the point where she would change her stance. But the younger she was the higher the probability that she could. A lot of young people take stances like Ocean does (not only on procreation) and then find later in life that there are circumstances that bring them into direct conflict with their earlier stance. Ocean rails against getting pregnant like a homophobe against gays. She doesn't just state that is what she desires. She goes all out and calls pregnancy a disease and burden, as if it were such to all women. When she does so she sounds extremely young and idealistic.

    I really don't see saying "be careful how strong a stance you take there (doesn't have to be only about pregnancy), because the fall will be that much harder if/when you change" as being the same as "grow up and learn your place".

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Since when am I doing any such thing?

    He said something about his daughter, some stranger as far as Ocean is concerned, and then leaped to the conclusion that whatever his daughter thinks must somehow mean something about what Ocean will think.
    I love you S&M, I really do, but I think you're reading a little too much into that. He used an example of someone who was as adamant about not having kids as Ocean seems to be and saying, "hey it happens"
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I do see WCH's point and I even asked Ocean the same question. Her response indicated that she's most likely (nothing's impossible) past the point where she would change her stance. But the younger she was the higher the probability that she could. A lot of young people take stances like Ocean does (not only on procreation) and then find later in life that there are circumstances that bring them into direct conflict with their earlier stance. Ocean rails against getting pregnant like a homophobe against gays. She doesn't just state that is what she desires. She goes all out and calls pregnancy a disease and burden, as if it were such to all women. When she does so she sounds extremely young and idealistic.

    I really don't see saying "be careful how strong a stance you take there (doesn't have to be only about pregnancy), because the fall will be that much harder if/when you change" as being the same as "grow up and learn your place".

    I love you S&M, I really do, but I think you're reading a little too much into that. He used an example of someone who was as adamant about not having kids as Ocean seems to be and saying, "hey it happens"
    I get what you're saying, but this can just as easily be reversed. A lot of people want kids when they're younger, then realize what that implies when they get older and decide they'd rather not.

    But for some reason, people only question how much you know yourself if you say you DON'T want kids.

    The childfree come at all levels of intensity, just like parents. It means nothing about their commitment to their choice.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I get what you're saying, but this can just as easily be reversed. A lot of people want kids when they're younger, then realize what that implies when they get older and decide they'd rather not.
    You know, Saturn is a planet out in space but it doesn't have to be there, it could float in the Pacific Ocean. Or something. Just use your imagination.

    This phenomenon which you say is easily reversed and forms the basis of your rebuttal - prove it. Show us where this "A lot of people" information comes from other than your imagination. I'm really curious to see how your world view is shaped - is it by analyzing the world or is your view of the world shaped by your imagination and anything you concoct in that imagination is now, to you, a real world phenomenon.

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