View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
  • Other

    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

    2 0.87%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Bad parents will normally turn out bad children. Good parents will normally turn out good children. There are very few exceptions. The things that account for bad parenting may be different among parents, the same as good parenting, but it is still wrong to believe that parenting has nothing to do with how children turn out.
    Parental involvement or the lack thereof is the primary motivator for children to turn out good or bad. There are some exceptions, such as a child from a bad parent being taken under the wing of a mentor, but without that strong adult influence, kids are not going to turn out to be productive citizens and good people. It's not magic.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Bad parents will normally turn out bad children. Good parents will normally turn out good children. There are very few exceptions. The things that account for bad parenting may be different among parents, the same as good parenting, but it is still wrong to believe that parenting has nothing to do with how children turn out.
    I did not write this. I did write
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    And exceptions is not "very few" , but opposite, pretty much.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Social Security taxes should be doubled on those without children, since no one will be there to pay their share.
    I have paid my fair share probably five time over, and will never see a dime of it.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
    Mindless question
    Not really, just another extension of "I am better than you because (insert reason here)"

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not really, just another extension of "I am better than you because (insert reason here)"
    I know...too bad it's petering out....I just love pointing out that there's no 'high road' for people who choose to reproduce
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Parental involvement or the lack thereof is the primary motivator for children to turn out good or bad. There are some exceptions, such as a child from a bad parent being taken under the wing of a mentor, but without that strong adult influence, kids are not going to turn out to be productive citizens and good people. It's not magic.
    Yeah, I guess writing as "bad parenting" would have been better.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I have paid my fair share probably five time over, and will never see a dime of it.
    I can't speak to your case because I don't know anything about you, but most people who say what you say and do reveal their income have vastly overestimated what they've paid into the system.


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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    I can't speak to your case because I don't know anything about you, but most people who say what you say and do reveal their income have vastly overestimated what they've paid into the system.

    Over state or not, I will never see a dime of it. Pretty bad investment I would say.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
    Inferior by what criteria? The answer could go either way based upon that.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't know. It certainly could be part of it, and I think that's even likely, but I think there's another factor you have to add in here: what are you considering a friend?
    Good question! I do see a difference between casual friends and real friends. A real friend is someone you've known for years...maybe even since childhood, and is a friend regardless of changing circumstances. I suspect that as society started becoming more transient, with people leaving home, and moving throughout their lives, that these sorts of friendships are hard to establish. So, what a lot of people may call friends today may be more on that casual side...friends at work or friends who just happen to have interests in common.

    1950's culture was pretty socially repressive. Behind closed doors, Stepford wives were swallow pills by the fist full, while their husbands preferred hitting the bottle. The social mob that descended on you was far more extreme if you stepped outside the lines.

    I think people today expect to be taken as they are, and that wasn't the case in the 50's. So if you're judging who is a friend by more stringent criteria, it stands to reason you might have fewer of them.

    Incidentally, this might be part of why the West is finally coming around to properly loving animals, which, by the way, happens in lots of cultures with virtually no technological isolation at all: they always take you as you are.
    The 50's were a little before my time, but I suspect there is some truth in that society was more conformist, and it was a period of high optimism in spite of the Cold War and when I was in the early grades - duck and cover drills....as if hiding under a wooden desk would protect us from the A-Bomb! But, a lot of the talk is stereotype, just as the social upheavals portrayed in movies and TV shows of the 60's did not invade everyone's lives like they were portrayed in media. In the late 60's, a lot of issues like nuclear war, overpopulation, pollution and environmental collapse, were often mentioned in mainstream media, but there was still a great deal of optimism during those times that's missing today.
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