View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
  • Other

    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

    2 0.87%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Being selfish would require caring only for one's self and ignoring the needs/feelings of others. Our ancestors are dead. They don't have needs, they don't have feelings, and you certainly can't care for them. That leaves only you and your spouse to make the decision.
    I should clarify here because I spoke poorly. I do not consider you selfish, but rather your arguments in this thread. (And to some extent your ideological bent.) You are by your presentation and your manners a fine gentleman and I've got no cause to disparage you-- and it was not my intent to do so.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    You don't have children to care for you at old age. You have children because you feel like a spring of life.
    So why does everyone come up with the "Who will care for you when you're old?" bingo? Honestly, I don't think most people do it for such shiny reasons (even if I didn't find that reasoning flawed).

    Oh, please, there are tons of literature about afterlife and reincarnation. I don't have to explain.
    Yes, I'm aware. And not a single bit of it gives me any reason to accept it as truth.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    How do you ask a non-existent child whether they'd like to be born to you?
    I would describe it, but this is a public forum. It's an emotional question expressed in physical form.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I would describe it, but this is a public forum. It's an emotional question expressed in physical form.
    I'm sorry, but if you believe that, you're projecting.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    I've been trying very hard to keep my religious views out of this because I know my sparring partners don't share them, but without taking religious views into your account there's no way to logically claim that unborn children can give consent to being born.
    Well yeah, I guess we it cannot go without some faith.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm sorry, but if you believe that, you're projecting.
    Projecting what?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, I'm aware. And not a single bit of it gives me any reason to accept it as truth.
    Well, yes, that's your inalienable right.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Projecting what?
    Your desire to believe you aren't really choosing to bring someone else into being for your own reasons without their input.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Every person in my family is an individual, and a lot of them have virtually nothing in common with each other than a bit of DNA.
    This is a greater tragedy than your lack of desire to have children; you already know how I feel about DNA, and families. That your family bonds are so frayed as to be nearly non-existent is something to mourn.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What do I care who carries on this supposed "legacy?" I don't even know what the purpose of it is, and so far, you're not really explaining it to me. You're just choosing different words for the same concept.
    What is the point of living a meaningful life if it is forgotten soon after your death? Your legacy is the meaning of your life sustained beyond your death.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    My dead family doesn't care if their bits of genetic information are perpetuated, my living family has already gotten over it and realize I have far more to offer than simply my bodily functions. I have a brain too.
    You know that I respect your brain. That's one reason I would prefer that you perpetuated your line-- not only genetically, but also culturally. The world needs more of you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    What, do you think all those old people rotting in bottom-dollar homes, who never get a single visit, are all childfree? Please. They're from a time when being childfree wasn't even an option.

    The overwhelming majority of them have kids. Their kids just don't care.
    This is the converse of not needing children to have a family. You can have children and still not have a family. And that is a tragedy.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    And beyond that, if that's the reason you have children, then you are the selfish one, not me.
    I think you know better.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Well yeah, I guess we it cannot go without some faith.
    It's a handicap, but if we're to have any hope of convincing people who disagree with us, we have to learn to argue from the perspective of their own beliefs.

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