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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean007 View Post
    Again, this kind of assertion is sheer NONSENSE. You should also be aware that there are two groups of couples who don't have children; childless (no kids by circumstance) and childfree (no kids by choice).

    In any case, it isn't for you to decide who "should" or "should not" participate in the process of voting. Whether childless or childfree, couples without kids have the same right to vote as you do.
    At least three families, childless couples I know, raising adopted children. Even my homosexuals neighbors are raising a girl for many years. Another familie of my age, raised three own children, and adopted two other children from Russia.
    Сhildfree, is the pinnacle of selfishness. Or vice versa, cowardice. Know of, too. They live in the absence of love and the meaning of life.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    At least three families, childless couples I know, raising adopted children. Even my homosexuals neighbors are raising a girl for many years. Another familie of my age, raised three own children, and adopted two other children from Russia.
    Сhildfree, is the pinnacle of selfishness. Or vice versa, cowardice. Know of, too. They live in the absence of love and the meaning of life.
    You wouldn't know love or meaning if it slapped you in the face.

    One of the childfree people I know is an EMT. He's the one who rescues children who are abused by their parents. He's the guy who basically deals with war scenes resulting of the "love" of the reproducing majority. EMT's die all the time, trying to reach people in tricky places with unwieldy crafts and vehicles, or being killed by the people they're trying to save. And when someone from the reproducing majority tries to tell him he's selfish simply for not breeding, he damn near loses his mind -- and for every good reason. Most of those people are far too selfish and cowardly to do what he does.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    If someone doesn't want to have children, then not having children isn't selfish so much as it is in the best interests of the hypothetical child.

    I've seen what happens with unwanted kids in our society. Better to not have any at all than it is to have one that you didn't want.

    The concept of inferior and superior in this regard is silly because each instance is different.

    From my own perspective, having a kid was what finally brought meaning into my life. I actually understand Kori's position very well because I've kind of adopted a "Do it for my ancestors" perspective a little bit. By having a child and continuing the teachings of my parents and ancestors, I do honor to them by continuing the meaning of their lives. If my son has children of his own some day, he will be continuing the meaning of my life and the lives of the rest of his ancestors.

    So I totally get what Vyktor is saying, but I would change it slightly in my situation to say that I would have been an inferior person had I decided not to have children based on my personal belief system. For me, it's not religious as I have no religion, but it is somewhat spiritual. As for everyone else in the world, it is not me who judges their superiority/inferiority, it is they themselves who do this.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    If someone doesn't want to have children, then not having children isn't selfish so much as it is in the best interests of the hypothetical child.

    I've seen what happens with unwanted kids in our society. Better to not have any at all than it is to have one that you didn't want.

    The concept of inferior and superior in this regard is silly because each instance is different.

    From my own perspective, having a kid was what finally brought meaning into my life. I actually understand Kori's position very well because I've kind of adopted a "Do it for my ancestors" perspective a little bit. By having a child and continuing the teachings of my parents and ancestors, I do honor to them by continuing the meaning of their lives. If my son has children of his own some day, he will be continuing the meaning of my life and the lives of the rest of his ancestors.

    So I totally get what Vyktor is saying, but I would change it slightly in my situation to say that I would have been an inferior person had I decided not to have children based on my personal belief system. For me, it's not religious as I have no religion, but it is somewhat spiritual. As for everyone else in the world, it is not me who judges their superiority/inferiority, it is they themselves who do this.
    You know, I don't think this is impossible -- or any less meaningful -- with kids who aren't yours necessarily.

    I know everyone here thinks I'd like to mount baby heads on spikes, but I actually have a fair bit of time for a smart kid who's to the point of being conversational. I love encouraging people to pursue their talents -- something a lot of kids don't really get enough of (as opposed to being encouraged to pursue what their parents think will look best).

    My family is sort of coming together lately, and it's by no means a typical arrangement, and most of it isn't genetic.

    My best friend, whom we consider to be each other's "life partners" in all the ways that count, is planning to have a kid within the next few years. There's a naming convention (not surnames) in my family my dad hoped I would do, if I wanted to. Obviously I won't be, since I won't be having kids, and he's ok with that.

    But guess who wants to. My friend.

    I never asked her. She just said one day she'd like to.

    It'll be her kid, and I don't want to be her kid's parent. But I like the idea of being the crazy aunt who tells stories and encourages a developing mind. Sits around at my coffee table and gives her tea and asks her questions.

    My dad was like that, as were many of his unchilded friends who I saw a fair bit of. Rather than focusing on all the cutesy but ultimately non-intellectual things kids do, they focused on my intellect. And I'm better for it. I quickly grew impatient with people who were happy to just come down to my level, rather than challenging me to come up to theirs.

    I've been that kind of figure to a couple of kids in the past. And while I certainly don't think any childfree person is obligated to work with kids or even like kids, and there are a bajillion different ways to impact humanity profoundly that have nothing to do with kids, and there are lots of non-kid related ways to have a legacy and I hope to have one myself, I like the idea of passing on that challenging and perhaps slightly subversive ethos that I grew up with.

    So does my friend, evidently.

    There's so much more to how to be human than the standard lines. I'm going to wind up with a really weird family, no doubt about that, but none of us are here because we have to be or anyone said we should be. We're just here because we want to be, and we have that love of depth and motion and purpose. DNA alone can't give you that any more than love alone can give you that.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
    Well, they're biological failures after all.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You know, I don't think this is impossible -- or any less meaningful -- with kids who aren't yours necessarily.

    I know everyone here thinks I'd like to mount baby heads on spikes, but I actually have a fair bit of time for a smart kid who's to the point of being conversational. I love encouraging people to pursue their talents -- something a lot of kids don't really get enough of (as opposed to being encouraged to pursue what their parents think will look best).

    My family is sort of coming together lately, and it's by no means a typical arrangement, and most of it isn't genetic.

    My best friend, whom we consider to be each other's "life partners" in all the ways that count, is planning to have a kid within the next few years. There's a naming convention (not surnames) in my family my dad hoped I would do, if I wanted to. Obviously I won't be, since I won't be having kids, and he's ok with that.

    But guess who wants to. My friend.

    I never asked her. She just said one day she'd like to.

    It'll be her kid, and I don't want to be her kid's parent. But I like the idea of being the crazy aunt who tells stories and encourages a developing mind. Sits around at my coffee table and gives her tea and asks her questions.

    My dad was like that, as were many of his unchilded friends who I saw a fair bit of. Rather than focusing on all the cutesy but ultimately non-intellectual things kids do, they focused on my intellect. And I'm better for it. I quickly grew impatient with people who were happy to just come down to my level, rather than challenging me to come up to theirs.

    I've been that kind of figure to a couple of kids in the past. And while I certainly don't think any childfree person is obligated to work with kids or even like kids, and there are a bajillion different ways to impact humanity profoundly that have nothing to do with kids, and there are lots of non-kid related ways to have a legacy and I hope to have one myself, I like the idea of passing on that challenging and perhaps slightly subversive ethos that I grew up with.

    So does my friend, evidently.

    There's so much more to how to be human than the standard lines. I'm going to wind up with a really weird family, no doubt about that, but none of us are here because we have to be or anyone said we should be. We're just here because we want to be, and we have that love of depth and motion and purpose. DNA alone can't give you that any more than love alone can give you that.
    That's awesome what your fiend is doing. And everything you said is 100% on the money in my opinion.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes. They have an obligation to the line of their ancestors to keep their lineage going and they are failing to do so. They have an obligation to society to do their part in raising the next generation of citizens and they are failing to do so. They are failing to live up to the responsibilities of adults.
    Who is that obligation to exactly? Ancestors dont care, be real. Society has plenty of citizens and and plenty of people who want to have kids. What obligaton?

    And failing to live up to responsibilities as adults? Ha, do I detect jealousy there? I see it quite a bit....sorry....you make your choices, you live with them
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It is how we repay our parents and our grandparents and our great-grandparents and our more distant forebears for having kept our lines going until we were born-- for having borne and raised us. It is how we pass on the teachings that were passed on to us.

    I'm not saying that it is. I'm saying that choosing other endeavors at the expense of your family line is irresponsible. It's short-sighted and selfish.

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    The whole ancestor thing is just silly....they are long gone. THey know nothing.

    As for selfish....there are no unselfish reasons to have kids in the US. It's always selfish unless you get accidentally pregnant. Because no one 'has kids to benefit society' or 'to populate the Earth'. You have kids because you want them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    And this would be why I would call your outlook "selfish".
    So people decide to have kids to make themselves miserable? No, they do it to make themselves happy. If they want home life to be bearable and to raise kids that treat them decently, then they try to make the kids happy, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Sure, but you do exist now and I suspect you care very much for your existence now.

    You carry on their legacy. If you can preserve their legacy in other ways, so much the better-- but then who will do so in your place when you are dead?

    And while you cannot obtain consent from the unborn, you must admit that the vast majority of people, once living, prefer to remain so.

    No, just to continue having a family when you are old and grey and dying.
    Good Lord! Why do my ancestors sound like fetuses in your description? LOLOL

    Stop insulting my ancestors and presuming you know what they would have wanted. How arrogant is that?
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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