View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

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  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why do I care whether they did that or not? If they hadn't, I simply wouldn't exist, and

    Why? How is it "selfish" to choose NOT to bring someone into being without their consent? I don't get this.

    That's okay, because I don't think you would ever understand unless you brought a child into the world.

    For me being a parent means giving and loving unconditionally. It means being the best I can be for someone else other than me.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    Childless people do not have to participate in the electoral process.
    There are a number of people who remained childless which impacted the country.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    That's okay, because I don't think you would ever understand unless you brought a child into the world.

    For me being a parent means giving and loving unconditionally. It means being the best I can be for someone else other than me.
    I'm sorry, but claiming it is possible to "unselfishly" make someone exist without their input is a logical impossibility.

    Good for you. Do you think other people don't do this for someone besides children?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Do you seriously believe there is nothing that contributes to society except breeding? I take it from all your ranting about god that you're Christian. Your savior supposedly didn't breed.

    What a sad point of view; to see no purpose to your own mind or talents whatsoever.
    No, I'm certainly not a Christian. I am not a Jew and not a Muslim. I do not even Buddhist and not Shinto. But I believe in intelligent creation of the universe and that we did not just come here. That we have reason to be here. At least in order to pass on our gene pool, until come to light one, who can use it efficiently.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by loader View Post
    No, I'm certainly not a Christian. I am not a Jew and not a Muslim. I do not even Buddhist and not Shinto. But I believe in intelligent creation of the universe and that we did not just come here. That we have reason to be here. At least in order to pass on our gene pool, until come to light one, who can use it efficiently.
    Ok. That makes no sense, but good for you. You still haven't explained to me why nothing is a meaningful contribution except reproduction. But I'd bet dollars to donuts your life wouldn't be comfy enough for you to have spent the time cobbling together whatever it is you believe had it not been for the non-reproductive contributions of people, some of whom never reproduced at all.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    No, **** that. Some people feel like they don't need children to be happy in their lives. Doesn't mean they are contributing anything less to society if they wish to put their energy into pursuits other than raising a child.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm sorry, but claiming it is possible to "unselfishly" make someone exist without their input is a logical impossibility.

    Good for you. Do you think other people don't do this for someone besides children?
    If you mean do I think people have children in all situations for higher reasons? No, of course not, that is not what I said.

    Procreation is a natural event that serves a natural purpose. Yet even in nature, the idea of "nurture" is clearly how most animals are programmed.

    My comment about having children was a personal observation that applied to me, however I don't believe you can understand my point of view unless you have had children.

    I have a younger brother who loved his dog like it was kid--- so he believed. He and his wife would even claim that their dog was their "baby" and that the dog brought so much joy to him and his wife. They even let the dog sleep on their bed. Then one day I made him a bet that after he had his fist child he would never look at the dog again the same way. In fact I told him that if his child fell down and was hurt he would probably step on the dog trying to get to the kid. My brother only responded with you have no idea of how I feel. Yep, and he had no idea of what I already knew--- at least not until after he and his wife had their kid.

    ... After the baby was born I noticed that the dog slept in the garage.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    If you mean do I think people have children in all situations for higher reasons? No, of course not, that is not what I said.

    Procreation is a natural event that serves a natural purpose. Yet even in nature, the idea of "nurture" is clearly how most animals are programmed.

    My comment about having children was a personal observation that applied to me, however I don't believe you can understand my point of view unless you have had children.

    I have a younger brother who loved his dog like it was kid--- so he believed. He and his wife would even claim that their dog was their "baby" and that the dog brought so much joy to him and his wife. They even let the dog sleep on their bed. Then one day I made him a bet that after he had his fist child he would never look at the dog again the same way. In fact I told him that if his child fell down and was hurt he would probably step on the dog trying to get to the kid. My brother only responded with you have no idea of how I feel. Yep, and he had no idea of what I already knew--- at least not until after he and his wife had their kid.

    ... After the baby was born I noticed that the dog slept in the garage.
    That is heartbreaking, and in my opinion, a sign of stunted empathetic development.

    I was born into a household with multiple animals. You know how I learned how to treat them? Whatever I did to them got done to me. My mother would have pitched a fit if I had hurt the dog, or if anyone had suggested he sleep in a garage. Same for my father and his cat.

    Anyway, I see no evidence parental love is somehow "superior." Parents drop their children off at adoption agencies by the millions. Parents abandon their children for the stupidest reasons -- political beliefs, their sexuality, etc. It is quite clear some parents love their children very little, and even for those of whom that isn't true, they often have something that can break that tie.

    On the other hand, there are people willing to die even for strangers simply for the damn principle of the thing, and for love of humanity. Some of the best romantic work of the Renaissance was written about close friendships. Steely romantic relationships have persisted through things most parent-child relationships probably wouldn't survive. And back to animals, it's not unheard of for people to report a bigger sense of loss from losing their pets than from losing their parents or other relatives.

    The strength of ones own personal love means nothing about love in general; all our experiences are personal. What baseless narcissism for you to believe your love is superior, when you can't even find it in you to maintain love of a dependent creature who loves you.

    And for my part, I have a good enough sense of empathy that I don't need to demote other loves just because a new shiny one comes along.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That is heartbreaking, and in my opinion, a sign of stunted empathetic development.

    I was born into a household with multiple animals. You know how I learned how to treat them? Whatever I did to them got done to me. My mother would have pitched a fit if I had hurt the dog, or if anyone had suggested he sleep in a garage. Same for my father and his cat.
    My dogs are never allowed in the house and still they are well cared for. The only animals inside my house are called dinner.

    ...Well, I should day that I do let one dog sleep in a bathroom once a year on the fourth of July because she is really disturbed by all of the fireworks, so I wonder if proves I have at least some "empathetic development"? But then the bathroom has to be sanitized, so not too sure if the dog has any empathy for the extra work that is this for me?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Anyway, I see no evidence parental love is somehow "superior." Parents drop their children off at adoption agencies by the millions. Parents abandon their children for the stupidest reasons -- political beliefs, their sexuality, etc. It is quite clear some parents love their children very little, and even for those of whom that isn't true, they often have something that can break that tie.

    On the other hand, there are people willing to die even for strangers simply for the damn principle of the thing, and for love of humanity. Some of the best romantic work of the Renaissance was written about close friendships. Steely romantic relationships have persisted through things most parent-child relationships probably wouldn't survive. And back to animals, it's not unheard of for people to report a bigger sense of loss from losing their pets than from losing their parents or other relatives.

    The strength of ones own personal love means nothing about love in general; all our experiences are personal. What baseless narcissism for you to believe your love is superior, when you can't even find it in you to maintain love of a dependent creature who loves you.

    And for my part, I have a good enough sense of empathy that I don't need to demote other loves just because a new shiny one comes along.
    So basically you believe that your love for your dog is equal to my love for my child?

    Okay this:

    Your dog, you, myself, and my child are adrift in a lifeboat. After a week at sea I kill your dog for food to feed to my starving child even under your protests. After we are rescued you accuse me of murdering your dog, but no court in the world will hear your case. At the very most I owe you an amount of money equal to the value of your dog.

    Now same situation but this time you try to kill my child to feed to your starving dog and in the process I kill you to protect my child. There is no court on the planet that would call me a murderer for protecting my child.


    So my question is:

    Which love is justified and which one isn't?
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