View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

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  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    We'll just let the poll decide. Not looking good for you, homie.
    Stfu, RabidAlpaca, and go to bed. If I had a sweet German wife, I'd be making a bunch of blond babies.

    But your right, this demographic crisis resembles climate change - everything is being distributed wrong and uneven. Rainfalls in the swamps and dry weather in the desert areas, if you know what I mean.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why do I care whether they did that or not? If they hadn't, I simply wouldn't exist, and I'm sure I'd have a very hard time caring about my non-existence.
    Sure, but you do exist now and I suspect you care very much for your existence now.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Also, how do you thank dead people in any meaningful way? And even if you could, how is reproducing the best way to say thank you?
    You carry on their legacy. If you can preserve their legacy in other ways, so much the better-- but then who will do so in your place when you are dead?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why? How is it "selfish" to choose NOT to bring someone into being without their consent? I don't get this.
    You are choosing not to perpetuate your family, not to perpetuate civilization itself, because you value your materialistic lifestyle over such concerns. How is that not selfish?

    And while you cannot obtain consent from the unborn, you must admit that the vast majority of people, once living, prefer to remain so.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I don't happen to think it is all that important, and one need not have children to have a family.
    No, just to continue having a family when you are old and grey and dying.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Stfu, RabidAlpaca, and go to bed. If I had a sweet German wife, I'd be making a bunch of blond babies.

    But your right, this demographic crisis resembles climate change - everything is being distributed wrong and uneven. Rainfalls in the swamps and dry weather in the desert areas, if you know what I mean.
    Oh trust me, every time I see her I have an almost uncontrollable desire to have lots of babies with her. But I use self control because this simply isn't the time in our life for that. Someday we might. On the other hand we might fall in love with being free and just decide we don't want to. Either way, our self worth hasn't changed a bit. It's about deciding what's best for us, we don't owe anybody anything.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why? How is it "selfish" to choose NOT to bring someone into being without their consent? I don't get this.
    Who said it's without their consent?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Sure, but you do exist now and I suspect you care very much for your existence now.
    I mostly care that I do something meaningful with it (I don't happen to think reproducing automatically qualifies). The idea of me having not existed doesn't bother me.

    You carry on their legacy. If you can preserve their legacy in other ways, so much the better-- but then who will do so in your place when you are dead?
    What legacy? Every person in my family is an individual, and a lot of them have virtually nothing in common with each other than a bit of DNA. What is so important about that bit of DNA?

    What do I care who carries on this supposed "legacy?" I don't even know what the purpose of it is, and so far, you're not really explaining it to me. You're just choosing different words for the same concept.

    You are choosing not to perpetuate your family, not to perpetuate civilization itself, because you value your materialistic lifestyle over such concerns. How is that not selfish?

    And while you cannot obtain consent from the unborn, you must admit that the vast majority of people, once living, prefer to remain so.
    Who says it has anything to do with my supposed "materialist" lifestyle? Way to assume.

    My dead family doesn't care if their bits of genetic information are perpetuated, my living family has already gotten over it and realize I have far more to offer than simply my bodily functions. I have a brain too.

    And honestly, I don't really care about perpetuating civilization. I don't see any reason why I should -- "civilization" has actually turned out pretty badly for most people living in it, and ultimately, it really doesn't matter whether humans are here or not. All I care about is making whatever civilization there is good for the people in it. But that doesn't translate into the believe that it must exist. I don't think it must.

    Does that mean it's not an ethical problem for the ones who aren't glad they're alive?

    No, just to continue having a family when you are old and grey and dying.


    This is my favorite bingo of all.

    What, do you think all those old people rotting in bottom-dollar homes, who never get a single visit, are all childfree? Please. They're from a time when being childfree wasn't even an option.

    The overwhelming majority of them have kids. Their kids just don't care.

    Having children doesn't guarantee you company or a personal nurse in old age. And with the money I'll save not having any, I'm sure I'll be able to take care of myself.

    And beyond that, if that's the reason you have children, then you are the selfish one, not me.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Who said it's without their consent?
    How do you ask a non-existent child whether they'd like to be born to you?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Many people Have Children, that should Never have had them, for all the wrong reasons, ............ having a child is Because you want to and will love them and take care of the child, not for progeny, or to populate the world.................. if your desire is Not to have a child , whats the problem, in this day and age it is IMO............ "' To each Their Own Choice""

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
    No. In fact, they should be thanked for making a wise decision if they are avoiding such because they recognize their inability to be quality parents for any reasons whatsoever.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Who said it's without their consent?
    I've been trying very hard to keep my religious views out of this because I know my sparring partners don't share them, but without taking religious views into your account there's no way to logically claim that unborn children can give consent to being born. Existence, then, is thrust upon them before they have the capacity for consent.

    I am myself divided on the issue of whether our ancestors choose to be reincarnated or if it simply happens.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The overwhelming majority of them have kids. Their kids just don't care.
    You don't have children to care for you at old age. You have children because you feel like a spring of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    How do you ask a non-existent child whether they'd like to be born to you?
    Oh, please, there are tons of literature about afterlife and reincarnation. I don't have to explain.

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