View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Gehrig View Post
    Yes. They have an obligation to the line of their ancestors to keep their lineage going and they are failing to do so. They have an obligation to society to do their part in raising the next generation of citizens and they are failing to do so. They are failing to live up to the responsibilities of adults.
    That's sarcasm, right? Please tell me it's sarcasm.


    But if it's real:
    If they're working and paying taxes then they're helping society and being responsible adults.

    Some mutations die out on their own, not wanting children is one of them. No obligation needed.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    No...period.


    And I would like to know who are the two people who answered 'yes' to the first option.

    Moral obligation? To society?

    LOLOLOL.

    My obligation is to decency and honor.

    I see few of those qualities in 'society'.

    And as long as I do - I feel ZERO obligation to it.


    'Moral obligation' is a term coined by leaders to guilt the masses to do what they are told.

    'Patriotism' is another word the 'leaders' use for the same purpose.

    And usually, the masses - being mostly sheep - fall for them.
    Last edited by DA60; 04-04-13 at 06:47 AM.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You have, through your desire to push a point, embarrassed yourself. You are smarter than the things you have said in this thread. I have seen you wiser, more exacting, better capable of sifting evidence than this.
    Oh, just saw this.

    Huh, that's funny. I don't feel embarrassed. You sure that's not just how you'd like me to feel?

    I have a hard time listening to lectures about evidence from you, honestly.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think hell just froze over.

    That's a damn good book, at least, what I've read so far. I'm about at page 450/650 or so.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    My obligation is to decency and honor.

    I see few of those qualities in 'society'.

    And as long as I do - I feel ZERO obligation to it.
    You know, a childfree person I know brought this point up once.

    Society's response to someone not having children (as well as many other things) is to disenfranchise that person, because they're not doing what society feels it is "owed."

    But it begs the question... why would someone you disenfranchised feel compelled to do anything for you in the first place?

    The way he put it was rather epic.

    "It's like the jocks complaining to the nerds they bully that the football team is out of money. Why on earth should they care?"
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You know, a childfree person I know brought this point up once.

    Society's response to someone not having children (as well as many other things) is to disenfranchise that person, because they're not doing what society feels it is "owed."

    But it begs the question... why would someone you disenfranchised feel compelled to do anything for you in the first place?

    The way he put it was rather epic.

    "It's like the jocks complaining to the nerds they bully that the football team is out of money. Why on earth should they care?"
    That's a good one.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    On top of everything else, there is a staggering number of lousy parents in this world - something that I feel maybe the number one source of misery (directly/indirectly) on this planet.


    If you look at ANY task, the law of averages will show about 1/3 are great at it, 1/3 are decent at it and 1/3 suck at it.
    This goes for everything - cooking, driving, cleaning AND parenting.

    That means that at least 2/3rds of all parents are - at best - adequate.

    Personally, I believe raising sentient human beings should be done by people a heck of a lot better then just adequately.

    Yet society ignores the law of averages for child rearing (for some bizarre reason) and just assumes almost everyone is pretty good at it...which reality shows is obviously total nonsense.
    But unfortunately, many people seem to feel that providing the basic necessities, remembering their birthday, buying an occasional toy and not beating the crap out of their children makes them 'good parents'.

    Wrong - (imo) it makes you adequate...and barely at that.


    Parenting is something that most people are simply nothing more then 'adequate' at. With a ton of them outright lousy at it.

    Instead of society pressuring people to be parents - why aren't people discouraging people to be parents unless they feel VERY strongly that they will be truly excellent at it?

    Why?

    Because politicians love power. And the more babies are born, the greater the population base, the more power these 'leaders' have.
    So they encourage people (through words/taxes/benefits/guilt) to pop out as many babies as possible...regardless of the quality of that parenting.

    Quantity over quality.
    Last edited by DA60; 04-04-13 at 08:27 AM.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all things being equal they contribute less to society. "inferior" would be a word that would require qualifications, however.
    NONSENSE. No individual or couple is required to reproduce in order to be considered a "contributing member of society." That's just one more guilt-peddling weapon conservatives use to try and shame women into having children they don't really want.

    Problem for conservatives who "think" like this: those shaming tricks don't work as well on intentionally childfree women and men as they might as women who may still be undecided.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Yes. They have an obligation to the line of their ancestors to keep their lineage going and they are failing to do so. They have an obligation to society to do their part in raising the next generation of citizens and they are failing to do so. They are failing to live up to the responsibilities of adults.
    Assuming you are being serious instead of sarcastic, all of this is complete NONSENSE. The childfree (no kids by choice) decision is just as valid and responsible as the decision to become a parent.

    Individuals (myself included) and couples who know they don't like or want children are making the wise and RESPONSIBLE decision not to have them. Too many people who have children for the wrong reasons -- like being shamed or guilted into having them instead of really WANTING to have them -- end up neglecting their kids or even worse, abusing them. It's cruel to put kids at risk of such treatment. One can't neglect or abuse what one doesn't have.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all things being equal they contribute less to society. "inferior" would be a word that would require qualifications, however.
    No one owes any thing to society

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