View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
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    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Quiet. You'll ruin everything with the truth. Repeat after me: The world is overpopulated. Disease, starvation, wars, pestilence and pollution are the result. Better that we should kill a few - a couple of billion - so that others can live. Just because such things have existed throughout history doesn't mean overpopulation isn't the cause right now.
    Dang. My bad, bro.




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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The world is not overpopulated, that's a common fallacy used (usually) by those who want to create a crises that can be used to hand over massive power to the government. We could house and feed the entire population of the globe rather comfortably in the space currently occupied by the continental United States alone.
    You fail to see the point of the concern of overpopulation. Land is aplenty, everyone knows that. Available resources and the drain that 7 billion people are in an industrialized and developing world is the primary concern for geologists, biologists, and other earth scientists alike.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    You fail to see the point of the concern of overpopulation. Land is aplenty, everyone knows that. Available resources and the drain that 7 billion people are in an industrialized and developing world is the primary concern for geologists, biologists, and other earth scientists alike.
    .... every year we have to pay American farmers billions of dollars to keep them from producing enough food to feed every man woman and child on the planet. Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he will continue to be wrong in the future.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Dang. My bad, bro.




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    Now you're talking. Let's get with the program and kill the geologists, biologists and earth scientists first just to stop the hysteria. We'll move on to the childless couples after that.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... every year we have to pay American farmers billions of dollars to keep them from producing enough food to feed every man woman and child on the planet. Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he will continue to be wrong in the future.
    But wait, wasn't GMO engineered to feed a starving world?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... every year we have to pay American farmers billions of dollars to keep them from producing enough food to feed every man woman and child on the planet. Malthus was wrong then, he's wrong now, and he will continue to be wrong in the future.
    Well thats the thing, in such industrialized countries like the U.S., the over-reaping of land if you will is what is of concern. Do you honestly and naively believe that the way of the west, how we (the west) operate and our demand for resources is efficient and sustainable for the next 100 years? Do you honestly think that this rapid spike in population and the way the world is industrializing, countries like China, India and Brazil along with every other country in the world raping thousands of acres of land is just a-ok and will replenish itself by tomorrow so we can go at it again? Im no tree hugger, but this is unsustainable, and it is a problem.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Quiet. You'll ruin everything with the truth. Repeat after me: The world is overpopulated. Disease, starvation, wars, pestilence and pollution are the result. Better that we should kill a few - a couple of billion - so that others can live. Just because such things have existed throughout history doesn't mean overpopulation isn't the cause right now.
    Doesn't it make you wonder how the global "planners" can so callously decide that several billion people should be eliminated, usually the poor, and make grand speeches about it? It seems that they have taken on the role of God in deciding who will live,and who won't. I agree that our planet is becoming over populated, but c'mon. You have noticed that they never include themselves in their planning, but others are considered "disposable?" :

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Animals and insects breed until they reach a point of overpopulation and then there is a huge die off and the cycle starts again. I would like to think we are more intelligent than rabbits but after reading this thread I wonder.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Doesn't it make you wonder how the global "planners" can so callously decide that several billion people should be eliminated, usually the poor, and make grand speeches about it? It seems that they have taken on the role of God in deciding who will live,and who won't. I agree that our planet is becoming over populated, but c'mon. You have noticed that they never include themselves in their planning, but others are considered "disposable?" :
    Yeah. Some of the same people helped create the problem in the first place. The small farm is practically dead because politicians have sold out to large agricultural interests. There are literally thousands of acres near my house that have lain fallow for a generation, and it's the same all across the nation. We could produce vastly more food than we do. Instead, we've given ourselves over to mass production of food of inferior quality. We haven't converted to nuclear power and natural gas. It almost looks as though it's intentional just to provide an excuse to eliminate the "undesirable".

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If you can demonstrate me lying about your positions, I would like to see it. Thus far I have noticed that you tend to accuse me of being dishonest when I quote your own sources back to you. This is the third time in this thread that you have cited a source, apparently without reading it thoroughly, and then gotten upset when I actually took the time to.
    You quoted a source once, but managed not to read it. You summarized 2, but did so in a way that was not at all connected to what they said. And you've done the same once again. Although that was an odd one where you basically agreed with me, but tried to pretend I'd said something different and somehow was wrong. Bizarre.

    I would say that I am able to represent the parents who definitely do not match the depiction that you have self-servingly come up with. Certainly I can represent them better than you can represent the entire universe .
    Actually you're pretty typical. Certainly not a representation of all parents, but pretty typical at least in the sense of the way you view others.

    I'll offer up the same. Most of the CF people I know are self-focused, including the ones who purport to care about broader humanity. The parents I know go on mission trips to the Philippines, adopt children from Africa, etc. Most of the CF people I know spend alot of time drinking, playing video games, and/or working out. They are CF generally because A) they don't like kids or B) they don't want the responsibility and demands that come with them.
    I'll ask you the same question I asked Chuck, which apparently scared him right out of the thread: when did your children ask to be born?

    Answer me that and then we can talk about how the CF are so selfish.

    I would say you hang out with a very unusual subset of parents. Or you're just being dishonest in terms of percentages.

    You honestly sound like you're just ripping off the stereotype that the CF are such because they're basically children. However, the general known evidence about the CF demographic shows you wrong -- and not just my anecdata. I don't actually believe you know any CF people, honestly.

    And you know what? The groups I know may or may not be representative of CF'ers as a whole. Just as the ones that you know may or may not be representative as a whole. They just demonstrate that the groups exist and that prejudiced statements like this:
    Just because you can't read well enough to distinguish between statements of activities and personality does not make me prejudice.

    That is incorrect. It is possible that one do so, but it is not a prerequisite for making the decision that one does not wish to have children. There are lots of reasons to decide that one doesn't want kids - and "because someone understands society as a larger machine (which it isn't)" is or may be only one.
    *sigh* But I was not talking about the REASON.

    What I was talking about is how one gets to a point where they are personally able to withstand societal pressure, regardless of the reason.
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