View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Parents get tax credits and take much more time off. People without children put more time in.
    The first is correct, and the second is not. Parents do get tax credits to partially offset the cost of raising children and providing that public good. However, when Parents get home from 'work', their second job begins.

    They also support the world your children live in as much or more as their childed counterparts do, as I shown above. And actually, in terms of things like SS, I pay for my own benefits over the course of my working life.
    That's simply not how our system works. I wish it was, I would love for us to move to some kind of private accounts where what you paid had impact on what you got. However, as the system works currently, you pay for your parents benefits, and the next generation pays for yours.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    People who do not live a life dedicated to service live a life dedicated to themselves. And before you give an example of a person working at, say, Greenpeace, what is the difference between taking a paycheck from Greenpeace and taking a paycheck from a factory? "...when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full."
    So simply because someone doesn't reproduce, they live a life "dedicated to themselves?"

    Save your Bible verses. It's clearly done nothing for you in the ethics category.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I cited and linked each of your sources in my reply. If the best you can do is accuse me of lying without support...
    ...And made up your own demonstrably false definition of what they say. You are clearly incorrigible on this issue no matter how soundly you are established as wrong, and I knew that going in, because you're that way about everything. I went to the trouble for the benefit of anyone who may take your arguments on face. So job done, for me.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So simply because someone doesn't reproduce, they live a life "dedicated to themselves?"
    Not necessarily, no. People can have children for selfish reasons.

    And your "childfree" lifestyle earns you no automatic ethics points either. You're not a secular saint.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's simply not how our system works. I wish it was, I would love for us to move to some kind of private accounts where what you paid had impact on what you got. However, as the system works currently, you pay for your parents benefits, and the next generation pays for yours.
    Yes, they pay me money I am owed.

    And I will not be creating any more IOU's for anyone else after myself, so I don't see the issue. My not reproducing does remove a debt payer, but it also removes a debt receiver further down the line.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Not necessarily, no. People can have children for selfish reasons.

    And your "childfree" lifestyle earns you no automatic ethics points either. You're not a secular saint.
    I didn't say I was. You seem to be the one trying to claim a saintly position.

    Out of curiosity, what are some supposedly un-selfish reasons for having children?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    ...And made up your own demonstrably false definition of what they say.
    dude, I repeated what they said.

    You are clearly incorrigible on this issue no matter how soundly you are established as wrong, and I knew that going in, because you're that way about everything. I went to the trouble for the benefit of anyone who may take your arguments on face. So job done, for me.
    Okay.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, they pay me money I am owed.
    You are not "owed" a red cent. Social Security is a tax .

    And I will not be creating any more IOU's for anyone else after myself, so I don't see the issue. My not reproducing does remove a debt payer, but it also removes a debt receiver further down the line.
    and if people were net drains rather than net benefit to society, that would be a powerful argument.
    Last edited by cpwill; 03-19-13 at 10:13 AM.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I didn't say I was. You seem to be the one trying to claim a saintly position.
    If assigning people value regardless of their "worth" to society is saintly, I think we could all do with more saintliness.

    Out of curiosity, what are some supposedly un-selfish reasons for having children?
    Only a person who has never cared for a child could ask that question.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You are not "owed" a red cent.
    So receiving based on having put in through work is not the premise?

    and if people were net drains rather than net benefit to society, that would be a powerful argument.
    What, do you think the childfree don't pay SS?

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