Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.
No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody
Not if they have reproductive problems.
Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.
They should get a medal for lowering world population.
I don't know.
For those who are barren or infertile, I would consider them no less inferior than the mentally disabled, those who are born with disfigurements, liberals, as examples. To do so would open up the whole argument, potentially, for claiming that gay people are inferior because they can't procreate in the "normal" manner.
I find the whole discussion, in many ways, a little offensive since I feel that all people are equal regardless of their particular family dynamic and no one lifestyle choice should be valued above another.
'Childfree' Women Feel Little Distress, Study Finds | LiveScienceWomen who choose to be childfree feel more pressure to reproduce than other women without children, but they're less distressed about their childfree lifestyle than other non-moms, new research finds.
Unsurprisingly, women who wanted children but did not have them because of fertility or medical issues were the most distressed, according to the study published in the October issue of The Journal of Marriage and Family.
Childless by choice: a clinical study. [Am J Psychiatry. 1977] - PubMed - NCBIThey found that for these women the choice to be childless was multidetermined, persistent over time, and ego-syntonic. Comparison with other samples of women indicate that this is a distinct and nontraditional population.
But all things are not equal. Childfree people have an entirely different focus and purpose in life. I have already countered your claim that they haven't contributed enough, which is frankly ridiculous on its face, and you have offered no counter but to simply say "nuh-uh."No, and no one has suggested such. As I prefaced in my original post in this thread that you responded to (as I recall): "All things being equal", the childless (or child-free, if you wish) have contributed less. They have not borne the costs of raising the next generation upon whom they will depend in their old age - it's a free rider problem. And, (again) even in the working years the childless tend to be less productive than parents.
Where is your evidence that the childfree are less productive? Especially since they are the ones pulling the shifts that parents have to miss.
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Many have covered the same topic, but in general, there are hundreds of reasons why a couple may not have children. To even think to ask a question as to if they should be considered inferior garners a gut response from me that exceeds polite conversation.
It doesn't change the couple's contribution to society.
It doesn't change their responsibility to the societal pool.
It is no one's business but thier own as to why they are childless.
It doesn't change the respect of their ancestors.
And they sure as hell aren't inferior to ANYBODY.
Building block or stumbling block.... choose.
My partner just got his first taste of that when he told someone I'm childfree (he is what I call "baby ambivalent"). I don't think he ever really believed the stories I told... until he saw it for himself.
Trust me, the people here, with the benefit of the enforced cool time of typing, are being less offensive than most, at least in America.
Eventually you just start hearing what they're really saying: "I am SO ****ING MAD that you aren't validating my choices by living like I tell you to live! Why are you not responding to my shaming!? @#$%!"
People are like that about an awful lot of things. You just have to pay attention.
And at that point, it actually starts being a little cute.
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What is the point of the poll? Might as well ask whether people look down on single parents, or just the Octamom.
If in the future, they become a friend, they will eventually find out the reasons.
In this society where everyone feels they need to bare all (such as with twitter, fb, and decals on the back of their vehicle, lol) most people feel they have some ingrained right to know the why's and wherefores of your life. It doesn't work well with me.
Building block or stumbling block.... choose.
I've given my kids that message. They don't have an obligation to me to provide me with grandchildren and I certainly wouldn't consider them inferior if they didn't.
I do tell people that I choose not to have them, but I do this because the more people are confronted with it, the more they'll hopefully learn how to behave themselves. I don't tell them why or any such thing -- I have no need to justify myself. But I feel it's important to remind people we exist and some of us don't take any crap.
That said, it's completely legit to just say it's none of anyone's damn business. But I'm a rabble rouser. What can I say.