View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
  • Other

    10 4.37%
  • I don't know.

    2 0.87%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's a form of ad hominem, baron. I'll give you a minute to figure out that Charles Murray is a person.
    I did not attack the author. Facts, you might want to find some.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's a form of ad hominem, baron.
    An Ad Hom is a direct attack on the person rather than the argument. Corporations may be people, but sources are not.

    I'll give you a minute to figure out that Charles Murray is a person.
    Oh ****, really? I had no idea.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    No. The reason that Murray wrote explicitly about the statistics among white Americans was because minorities have a heavier portion of their populace in the ranks of the poor - when Murray wrote earlier about social breakup and the economic results he was accused of being racist because - surprise! - it turned out a greater portion of blacks were poor. This book was written to demonstrate the consistency of the relationships demonstrated across all racial lines, first by teasing out the white numbers, and then by demonstrating how they match the causal relationships in the black and hispanic communities.

    Or, you could pull an ad hominem. That seems to work, too.
    Yes, I was actually surprised to read race didn't play more into it, which is why it was not part of me being incredulous to bother spending an evening with it. However, I am still incredulous. This doesn't appear to be real research in the sense that the conclusion follows any facts I have ever heard of.

    Not as far as it impacts society. The two are - in their effects - the same. Both represent people who have not born the cost of raising the next generation of producers upon whom they will depend.
    No, they are not. They occupy two completely different socio-economic positions in most cases.

    But forget the fact that many of the childfree serve and extend the life of the next generation, not to mention actually working more, right? All that matters is that people simply breed?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So I should ignore the fact you made it a point to hide the fact you where linking to an amazon add for a book and not actual research? It's my fault you cannot prove your claims, yeah, that's it.
    you want me to go grab the book off my shelf and read through it to find you relevant statistics? Lack of family formation and child-rearing directly ties to productivity. The natural state of human kind appears to be laziness, and the natural state of the unattached male not responsible for others appears to be a form of extended adolescence. I offered the thing up as a hey-if-you're-interested-this-guy-has-put-together-the-numbers. But hey, if you can demonstrate otherwise, I'd be interested in seeing it.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you want me to go grab the book off my shelf and read through it to find you relevant statistics? Lack of family formation and child-rearing directly ties to productivity. The natural state of human kind appears to be laziness, and the natural state of the unattached male not responsible for others appears to be a form of extended adolescence. I offered the thing up as a hey-if-you're-interested-this-guy-has-put-together-the-numbers. But hey, if you can demonstrate otherwise, I'd be interested in seeing it.
    If it refers to actual research, it should be available on the net. Not my job to back up your claims, that is yours. When your source is an add for the book "Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010", pardon me if I am not swayed.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yes, I was actually surprised to read race didn't play more into it, which is why it was not part of me being incredulous to bother spending an evening with it. However, I am still incredulous. This doesn't appear to be real research in the sense that the conclusion follows any facts I have ever heard of.
    Then feel free to take a look at the facts. Race increasingly is a less relevant factor than behavior in America.

    No, they are not. They occupy two completely different socio-economic positions in most cases.
    I think you are imposing your personal experiences on the rest of the populace here. By what polling or census data are you breaking the two down?

    But forget the fact that many of the childfree serve and extend the life of the next generation, right? All that matters is that people simply breed?
    No, and no one has suggested such. As I prefaced in my original post in this thread that you responded to (as I recall): "All things being equal", the childless (or child-free, if you wish) have contributed less. They have not borne the costs of raising the next generation upon whom they will depend in their old age - it's a free rider problem. And, (again) even in the working years the childless tend to be less productive than parents.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If it refers to actual research, it should be available on the net. Not my job to back up your claims, that is yours. When your source is an add for the book "Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010", pardon me if I am not swayed.
    when you are unable to provide even someone who has looked at the same numbers and come to the opposing conclusion, but rather simply continue with ridiculous accusations against others, you will perhaps excuse the rest of us if we are not terribly impressed.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    An Ad Hom is a direct attack on the person rather than the argument. Corporations may be people, but sources are not.



    Oh ****, really? I had no idea.
    well I'm happy to have been able to help, then.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.


    Sadly, this IS the only argument for those that oppose gay marriage. I wonder why there's only 1 vote so far and not more. HUMMM....

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.


    Sadly, this IS the only argument for those that oppose gay marriage. I wonder why there's only 1 vote so far and not more. HUMMM....
    Likely because of the extremely narrow construction.

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