View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

    9 3.93%
  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

    1 0.44%
  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

    44 19.21%
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    10 4.37%
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that.... is (not intending to be snide here, though I know it might come off that way) a rather fascinating thing to see a self-described progressive say...
    Oh, CP, but it isn't. There is a difference between a liberal and a progressive, and they can sometimes be wildly different creatures.

    Even then contraception has not proven all that effective. If this is something that interests you, I would recommend an excellent book on the topic. He devotes an entire chapter to the "Cash For Condoms" model.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Oh, CP, but it isn't. There is a difference between a liberal and a progressive, and they can sometimes be wildly different creatures.
    As someone who would like to see the classic term "liberal" restored to its' meaning, I would agree. But most who self describe as "progressive" are not of the opinion that you cannot help the poor by giving them free money.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    With society in the shape it is I think we should thank them. So many people have kids either by accident or to use as pawns, that they have caused more problems than contributed to society. We only had one and stopped there. I love kids but we did what we could afford. Even though later on we could have afforded more we decided to do the best we could for the one we had. Def not a mistake!

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The term "childless" is in itself a derogatory word that implies those that choose not to have children are inferior. The term "child free" would be the opposite of that and would infer that those that choose not to have children are better off if not superior. Our society glorifies reproduction and people who have 10 kids, 40 grand kids and 20 great grand kids are put on a pedestal as very successful people. And you wonder why we are running low on land and resources. You wonder why we are drilling, mining, building wind mill and solar farms on every inch of land we have. You can't understand why the ocean is running low on fish and we have mountains of pig crap leeching into our drinking water.
    The worst thing for the couples who choose not to have children must be the pitying looks and the assumption that one of them must have something ''wrong'' with them reproductively..

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Wow...what a ridiculous question.

    The correct answer is no by the way. Pretty obvious to any tolerant human being
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As someone who would like to see the classic term "liberal" restored to its' meaning, I would agree. But most who self describe as "progressive" are not of the opinion that you cannot help the poor by giving them free money.
    Well, I am not of that opinion either in 100% of situations. Certainly, you cannot help the poor by doing nothing but giving money, but in some situations, it may be one part of a larger action plan, and it can sometimes work.

    However, in the sense of foreign aid, I have just never seen any evidence that it does anything helpful, given the political and economic mitigating factors that exist in most of these countries.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    There are instances however that for whatever fertility reason, people run into difficulty having children...

    What exactly does your question imply, is what I'm wondering. Choices are a lot different than circumstances. Maybe a bit of clarification is needed as to why you pose such a question?
    The question is: are childless couples inferior in comparison with couples with children in terms of social importance? I get that having no children can be caused by various reasons, but I believe the poll has those answers included. For example, if you have reproductive problems and don't want raise a kid that is not your flesh, then you should go with No 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The term "childless" is in itself a derogatory word that implies those that choose not to have children are inferior. The term "child free" would be the opposite of that and would infer that those that choose not to have children are better off if not superior.
    Nice analysis.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Our society glorifies reproduction and people who have 10 kids, 40 grand kids and 20 great grand kids are put on a pedestal as very successful people.
    I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle between having no kids and having 10 kids.
    May be my next poll should be: Should couples with 10 children be considered inferior?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle between having no kids and having 10 kids.
    May be my next poll should be: Should couples with 10 children be considered inferior?
    There's no "truth" to be found in the answering of this question.

    People's significance to society is irrelevant to whether or not they have children. You can have children, raise them badly, and contribute nothing. You can not have children, do something very meaningful, and contribute a lot.

    How a person goes about executing whatever decisions they make is the deciding factor in whether they have contributed something to society. No single decision is inherently superior -- its meaning is inevitably attached to its execution. And most likely subjective, as well.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all things being equal they contribute less to society. "inferior" would be a word that would require qualifications, however.
    If a couple choses not raise children, then they have chosen to not support the future tax base which funds government and social programs. Maybe they should receive less benefits than those couples that choose to raise children. When people pay taxes for social programs, they are merely paying the bill for current beneficiaries (namely their parents). If they choose to break the chain maybe their own benefits should be reduced.

    Parenting is a definite hardship financially.
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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If a couple choses not raise children, then they have chosen to not support the future tax base which funds government and social programs. Maybe they should receive less benefits than those couples that choose to raise children. When people pay taxes for social programs, they are merely paying the bill for current beneficiaries (namely their parents). If they choose to break the chain maybe their own benefits should be reduced.

    Parenting is a definite hardship financially.
    Why? Those people who don't put their time into children may have a lot more time to... ya know... do something important to humanity, perhaps. Actually, most of the other CF people I know do some rather important things. The most common one, in my personal experience, is actually medical careers. All types. Research, EMT, surgeons, vet care, elderly care, and even care of disabled children. Personally, although I don't work in a medical field per se, I do work for the deaf.

    How are you going to tell me that we are "doing less?" People without children work more hours, and in my experience, have a tendency to work for humanity. Maybe you put in more at home, but we put in more in the world.

    Not to mention that not every person who simply manages to reproduce really deserves the title of parent. Reproducing doesn't mean someone will be loving or attentive or care about their child's future. Many don't, and it shows in their resultant children. And what exactly are they contributing?

    It's a hardship you choose, and you have no right to make other people's lives more difficult because of what you chose. If it's such a hardship that you resent people for choosing otherwise, then DON'T DO IT.

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