View Poll Results: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

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  • Yes. Having children is a moral obligation to God/society/family/etc.

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  • No, they are free not to have children. They don't have to answer to anybody

    161 70.31%
  • Not if they have reproductive problems.

    2 0.87%
  • Yes, even if they have reproductive problems. They can adopt, you know.

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  • They should get a medal for lowering world population.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    If your intent is to enrich yourself, from a moral standpoint you have done no good, regardless of the positive side effects.
    I beg to differ. First, "the positive side effects" is what actually makes a given society livable, for me and all others. The "moral standpoint" should take actual consequences of our actions into consideration, should it not?

    And then, "enriching myself" is not some kind of end-goal. I am not going to eat my money - or take it with me, when I go. We want to enrich ourselves in order to be able to do stuff: for some, it will be mindless pursuit of pleasures, for some "making real difference", for most - a mix of both.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    This may be a good test question: where does your first dollar earned go? To yourself, or to your family? By that I mean, are you working primarily to support your family or social cause, or to support your own personal lifestyle?
    But I think it is a false dichotomy. Buying books and tools is as much a "personal lifestyle" as buying boose and trinkets. Donating to the Salvation Army is no more "selfless" than overtipping a stripper.

    Taking care of your family first is important not because it is a part of some collective ritual, but because that's how you keep your individual promises and express your very individual affections. What could be more "selfish" than loving your own children?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Why do adults have a "responsibility" to keep their "line" going?

    And how is choosing other endeavors not responsible or adult?

    I don't understand this concept that we owe something to someone who doesn't even exist, or that our lives lack purpose without offspring.
    It's all about genetics, evolution and natural selection. Most people have a natural desire to procreate and if they didn't....well... the human race simply wouldn't exist.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It's all about genetics, evolution and natural selection. Most people have a natural desire to procreate and if they didn't....well... the human race simply wouldn't exist.
    There's existing and then there's enjoying life. There are 7 Billion people on planet Earth, most of whom have a poor standard of living. If most people did not have a natural desire to procreate, that would alleviate the sheer mass of the human race. Alleviating the sheer mass while keeping the same resources available, would raise the standard of living for those which are born.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    There's existing and then there's enjoying life. There are 7 Billion people on planet Earth, most of whom have a poor standard of living. If most people did not have a natural desire to procreate, that would alleviate the sheer mass of the human race. Alleviating the sheer mass while keeping the same resources available, would raise the standard of living for those which are born.
    Your attitude seems very hypocritical. If you believe there is a human population problem on this planet then why haven't you committed suicide yet?

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Your attitude seems very hypocritical. If you believe there is a human population problem on this planet then why haven't you committed suicide yet?
    Aside from how very rude this response is, having done research interviews with welfare queens, many of these people are flatly a drain on society. Some reproduction is needed, but it's way too uncontrolled to reach generalizations like "all couples with 5 kids are superior to all childless couples." Well, if the latter is infertile and adopts, while the former are crack addicts and use their kids to peddle guns, do you still make that statement? If you read some of these interviews, I think you would be calling for massive forced sterilization if anything.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You're assuming I think throwing money at it is the best way to solve problems. I don't. I think it actually makes their economies weaker in the long run.

    Contraception is not the last thing on the list. It is tied for first place with breaking down the rape culture.

    People who cannot protect their bodies cannot improve their circumstances.
    I did see a documentary about rape in Africa starring a 12 year old on her way to school...she was raped repeatedly by 2 16yr olds from her own village...

    She did not become pregnant..nothing happened to the boys..but she was living in shame and disgrace because of having been raped..she could not go out as her neighbours and friends verbally abused her..rocks were thrown at her and she was forced to give up school and stay home...

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Many couples don't have children for various reasons. Should they be considered inferior in society?
    The term "childless" is in itself a derogatory word that implies those that choose not to have children are inferior. The term "child free" would be the opposite of that and would infer that those that choose not to have children are better off if not superior. Our society glorifies reproduction and people who have 10 kids, 40 grand kids and 20 great grand kids are put on a pedestal as very successful people. And you wonder why we are running low on land and resources. You wonder why we are drilling, mining, building wind mill and solar farms on every inch of land we have. You can't understand why the ocean is running low on fish and we have mountains of pig crap leeching into our drinking water.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    There's existing and then there's enjoying life. There are 7 Billion people on planet Earth, most of whom have a poor standard of living. If most people did not have a natural desire to procreate, that would alleviate the sheer mass of the human race. Alleviating the sheer mass while keeping the same resources available, would raise the standard of living for those which are born.
    This is incorrect both in its' premise and in its' conclusion.

    1. More people live better lives today than at any point in human history. The vast majority of human experience has been standards of living below what we would consider "poor" today.

    2. If the worlds' population were to decline through decreased birthrate, the result would be more poverty, not less, both as a real and then as a relative amount. Firstly, the shift within the populace towards a greater portion of elderly citizens would mean fewer producers for the populace as a whole reducing global GDP per capita. Then as production fell, resources would go with it. Growth would cease, and a greater portion of fewer people would have lower standards of living.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    You're assuming I think throwing money at it is the best way to solve problems. I don't. I think it actually makes their economies weaker in the long run.

    that.... is (not intending to be snide here, though I know it might come off that way) a rather fascinating thing to see a self-described progressive say...

    Contraception is not the last thing on the list. It is tied for first place with breaking down the rape culture.
    Even then contraception has not proven all that effective. If this is something that interests you, I would recommend an excellent book on the topic. He devotes an entire chapter to the "Cash For Condoms" model.

    People who cannot protect their bodies cannot improve their circumstances.
    True enough. That's why property rights (self-ownership) are the center of all our rights and freedoms.

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    Re: Should childless couples be considered inferior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    It's all about genetics, evolution and natural selection. Most people have a natural desire to procreate and if they didn't....well... the human race simply wouldn't exist.
    Actually they don't. They have a desire to have sex, and they have an extensive capacity for inducing social pressure, but humans don't have an urge to self-replicate, per se.

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