View Poll Results: Against SSM? If family member came out to you, would you change your mind?

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    I was against gay marriage and still am as far as my religious beliefs go. It is a sin and I will never recognize it as anything real or tangible. I however do realize that equal treatment under our secular law is to important. The sin is between them and God, as it is for all as I am a sinner as well. So I support SSM even though I will never recognize it as being under God.
    Well said. That is exactly the situation. We are a nation of secular laws and "sin" has no bearing on the law, in and of itself as sin.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    In light of Rob Portman's change of heart regarding gay marriage, if your son/daughter/brother/sister came to you and told you they were gay, would you, could you see yourself changing your stance?
    Why not a choice, option, for those that are in this situation: If a gay member of our family came out to us we wouldn't change our position since we'd still be for gay marriage?

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If there were two gay people in the USA would you want to deny them the same rights that you have?

    Why?
    I'm confused. I said that those who are gay who supposedly don't support SSM are an extreme minority. What does that have to do with denying them the same rights that I have?

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    You know you're bad at making poll threads when the most popular option is squirrel.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How many Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals with doctorates in theology and other fields do you think are below average in intelligence?

    Just curious.
    1) I typed 'and/or'; not 'and'.

    and 2) to answer your question - most of them I would guess. The ones I have met do not seem that bright.

    I have said it before - anyone who strongly believes in a major religion is either ignorant and/or naive and/or desperate.

    The same goes for anyone that blindly believes in something tothe point that it alters their life when there is zero, unbiased, factual proof that it exists.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You know you're bad at making poll threads when the most popular option is squirrel.


    .............

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Why not a choice, option, for those that are in this situation: If a gay member of our family came out to us we wouldn't change our position since we'd still be for gay marriage?
    A choice I hadn't considered, just because of the way I phrased the question.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    You know you're bad at making poll threads when the most popular option is squirrel.
    I figure I'd give all the pro-SSM people a chance to vote too.

    Nice to see there are so many on DP.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    And if you changed your stance, it would be out of compassion.
    I hope not. That would mean that I do not have compassion for others already, or that I allowed a particularly strong emotional reaction (such as Portman did) to dictate my beliefs. If I change my beliefs on SSM, I hope it is because I have wise reason to do so, not merely the emotional pull of wishing to validate whatever my children do.

    What is your belief system regarding homosexuality? If you don't mind my asking?
    In this poll, I would be one of the people who have family members (and friends) who are homosexual who don't see a conflict between our love for those persons and our belief that Jesus was correct when he defined marriage in the context of a man and a woman.

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    Re: Portman. For those members against gay marriage:

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Well said. That is exactly the situation. We are a nation of secular laws and "sin" has no bearing on the law, in and of itself as sin.

    Thank you.
    Well that is not necessarily so. "Law" is to a large extent publicly enforced morality (we say Thou Shalt Not Run Naked Through Elementary Schools because we think it is wrong). Sin as a prohibitive moral statement (thou shalt not) does indeed therefore have strong bearing on the law.

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