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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    The only disadvantage that I could see is that the politicians who really are great wouldn't be able to stay there. But we would supposedly continue to elect more really great politicians.

    The benefits are numerous. What are your thoughts?


    And my plug: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...gress/bm01vV2m sign the petition if you agree. Let's get Obama to submit an amendment. Or if he won't, let him explain why not. It's time to take the lobbyists out of Washington.

    If this petition gets 150 signatures, it will go public. It needs 100,000 by 4/14/13. I'm an introvert. I don't know 150 people and I don't have facebook. If you believe in this cause, please sign it and share it.

    If you don't believe in it, why not? Am I missing something?
    It appears that these "benefits" are so numerous that you listed exactly none of them. You also listed not specific term limits, or even included the petition text. Disadvantges that come to mind; 1) lame duck representatives are very apt to represent nobody but themselves, 2) if your representative is doing a good job then they are effectively fired for doing just that, 3) incumbents have an actual record to judge while challengers merely offer promises and 4) too many morons vote based only on party affiliation so challengers (winning the primary) in solid red/blue districts still recieve no real opposition anyway.
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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    It's not about the argument of whether or not we can or should replace specific politicians. It's about the overwhelming power and corruption that could and does occur behind the curtains without term limits. Is the cost worth the freedom?

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    I agree with corruption of Washington. But at this point in time, the vast majority of Americans are perfectly alright with it. If the electorate really cared about the corruption, they would vote them out and do something about it. This is what happens in the last days of a democracy. Would term limits stop the corruption, I don't think so. It just means those who want influence and are corrupting government now, would just start buying their politicians earlier.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if we see indications of corruption it is then up to us, the voters, to vote them out of office
    we do elect the politicians we deserve
    In October of 2012, Congress approval rating was 21%. Incumbent re election rate topped 90%.

    There is an extreme disconnect between what the people want and what the people get. There are numerous variables as to why this could be, but in the end, I concede you are right. We get what we vote for and the people have the power to change that. But for whatever reason, it seems the 21% of people approving are 90%+ of the voters. The lack of voter turn-out is disturbing.

    The law shouldn't be necessary ideally, but it will give a greater chance for the will of the people to succeed, rather than the will of the 21%.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Term Limits are a dead issue thanks to the SCOTUS. We can go on all day about how necessary they are, or not, but the SCOTUS has said they won't be allowed.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    The internet is a funny tool. To someone who actually wants to change things it has powerful potential.

    However, if your just a lazy complainer it allows one to feel like they are a concerned active citizen by forwarding meaningless spam or complaining.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    The only disadvantage that I could see is that the politicians who really are great wouldn't be able to stay there. But we would supposedly continue to elect more really great politicians.

    The benefits are numerous. What are your thoughts?


    And my plug: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...gress/bm01vV2m sign the petition if you agree. Let's get Obama to submit an amendment. Or if he won't, let him explain why not. It's time to take the lobbyists out of Washington.

    If this petition gets 150 signatures, it will go public. It needs 100,000 by 4/14/13. I'm an introvert. I don't know 150 people and I don't have facebook. If you believe in this cause, please sign it and share it.

    If you don't believe in it, why not? Am I missing something?
    Tempting. Very tempting. But - no. The corrupt and the incompetent will be replaced by others just like them - but hungrier. And those rare individuals who manage to stay clean and speak their mind (Ron Paul is the obvious example; if you are a socialist, you would name Bernie Sanders...) - and get re-elected on the virtue of their demonstrated integrity (and scandalous celebrity of not marching in lockstep with their herds) - they would be gone...

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Tempting. Very tempting. But - no. The corrupt and the incompetent will be replaced by others just like them - but hungrier. And those rare individuals who manage to stay clean and speak their mind (Ron Paul is the obvious example; if you are a socialist, you would name Bernie Sanders...) - and get re-elected on the virtue of their demonstrated integrity (and scandalous celebrity of not marching in lockstep with their herds) - they would be gone...
    Ron Paul is a career politician who's district gets huge piles of government money.

    His son rand is a carpet bagger who will do the same.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if we see indications of corruption it is then up to us, the voters, to vote them out of office
    we do elect the politicians we deserve

    Bubba, part of the problem is that Senators or reps from other states, that I do not get to vote for or against, can stay in office for decades and accumulate seniority power, giving them a disproportionate amount of power over things that directly affect me and my life, and I can't do anything about them.

    Term limits would mitigate that to some degree.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Term Limits are a dead issue thanks to the SCOTUS. We can go on all day about how necessary they are, or not, but the SCOTUS has said they won't be allowed.

    I must have missed this. Link?

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    I don't think they deserve term limits, but I also don't think the POTUS should have one either.

    Seems silly to kick out someone you like because of some arbitrary rule. Without term limits, we'd never have either Bush (Reagan would have a 3rd, and no way in hell would America vote Dubya over Clinton for a 3rd).

    Prosecution rests.

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