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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    No; nor for any elected position. If they're what the voters want, why deny the voter's ability to re-elect them? It makes zero sense, from a democratic standpoint.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    I guess the Founding Fathers should have created a pure democracy instead of the structures they put in the constitution to avoid pure democracy.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    I guess the Founding Fathers should have created a pure democracy instead of the structures they put in the constitution to avoid pure democracy.
    Too late. They created a Democratic (sort of) Republic, which by granting voting rights to more persons, since, it is now an in-fact Democratic Republic.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    See the mindset being portrayed by you guys is exactly opposite of the Founders. They did not live in a dream world that the population would one day be all wise and pure and vote to protect freedom. They implemented an indirect democracy for the population in its current imperfect state not how it should become. They studied pure democracies like the ancient Greek states and saw it was a disaster in protecting freedom. With a non naive and clear vision that men were not angels, they set up an indirect democracy full of checks and balances, structure, and virtue mechanisms that tried to protect freedom. Term limits are the type of structure that I am confident they would support given our current circumstances. But I am sure there is nothing I can say that will change you guys minds. If the Founders had your mindset we would have been France.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    I absolutely think we should have term limits, and term limits of just one term for all elected politicians, President included. The reason, it severely undercuts the power of special interests to manipulate the politician's corruption in desiring to retain power, it allows the politician to concentrate his time and energy to solving the nation's problems instead of constant re-election mode the day he steps in office, and it would save a ton of money in politicians running around stumping for re-election. Term limits of one term would just have a dramatic effect in the way a politician sees things. The politician's staffs can be made up of very experienced people. There are creative ways where you can change the structure to keep some of the talented politicians under this one term limit government. For example I'd like to see one of the two senators from each state be appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the state legislatures, with no term limits on them as appointed officials. A state government may recognize a gifted senator and re-appoint him term after term. I'd also like to see 10% of the House of Representative seats be set aside outside of any districts where the Senate votes on the best members of the House of Representatives in their eyes and these Representative serve another term, and can be voted to as many terms as they get voted in by the Senate. These 43 or so members of the HoR will provide a continuity of leadership and experience. President's term could be raised to 6 yrs with a vote of confidence by Congress needed after 3 yrs where 3/4 negative vote would cause a new general Presidential election. Why would there be great opposition to such a system? Because most politicians do not want to give up power and those special interests that feed off the gravy train of tax payer's money know this will undermine the power they have over politicians.
    actually republican government does this.

    which is why the 17th amendment needs to be repealed, return power to the states, as to limit special interest.

    your never going to stop special interest, but the founders sought it limitation by creating republican government, not democratic government.

    The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations [special interest ] less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter. -- Madison federalist 10

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    actually republican government does this.

    which is why the 17th amendment needs to be repealed, return power to the states, as to limit special interest.

    your never going to stop special interest, but the founders sought it limitation by creating republican government, not democratic government.

    The other point of difference is, the greater number of citizens and extent of territory which may be brought within the compass of republican than of democratic government; and it is this circumstance principally which renders factious combinations [special interest ] less to be dreaded in the former than in the latter. -- Madison federalist 10
    Yes, I realize all of this. That is what I have been posting, favoring republican form of government instead of the path we have been on in more democratizing it. I would be happy with half a Senate, which I suggested as a compromise, or whole Senate indirectly chosen. No biggie for me. I also agree with Madison on the point that size of a republic is not a threat to the nation as far as special interests that it actually makes it harder for them to dominate. But as we can see now, being a large Republic, has not solved the problem. While it may be far worse if the Republic was smaller, it is still a major problem. And the fundamental source of the problem is politicians desiring to stay in power at basically all costs and an electric easily manipulated by dishonest spin. This environment has given special interests great power. The reason why the Founders gave us an amendment process is to further tweak the Constitution as we pursue a more perfect union. Term limits of one term is just such structural things they would have hoped we would have used the amendment process for, as it keeps in their spirit of strengthening the republican form of government by utilizing structure to further tame special interests.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by laska View Post
    Yes, I realize all of this. That is what I have been posting, favoring republican form of government instead of the path we have been on in more democratizing it. I would be happy with half a Senate, which I suggested as a compromise, or whole Senate indirectly chosen. No biggie for me. I also agree with Madison on the point that size of a republic is not a threat to the nation as far as special interests that it actually makes it harder for them to dominate. But as we can see now, being a large Republic, has not solved the problem. While it may be far worse if the Republic was smaller, it is still a major problem. And the fundamental source of the problem is politicians desiring to stay in power at basically all costs and an electric easily manipulated by dishonest spin. This environment has given special interests great power. The reason why the Founders gave us an amendment process is to further tweak the Constitution as we pursue a more perfect union. Term limits of one term is just such structural things they would have hoped we would have used the amendment process for, as it keeps in their spirit of strengthening the republican form of government by utilizing structure to further tame special interests.
    a reason we need the return of republican government...or mixed government says madsion, with power divided between the people and the states, so that special interest is limited, and cannot easily control our government.

    democracy is destroying America.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    The only disadvantage that I could see is that the politicians who really are great wouldn't be able to stay there. But we would supposedly continue to elect more really great politicians.

    The benefits are numerous. What are your thoughts?


    And my plug: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...gress/bm01vV2m sign the petition if you agree. Let's get Obama to submit an amendment. Or if he won't, let him explain why not. It's time to take the lobbyists out of Washington.

    If this petition gets 150 signatures, it will go public. It needs 100,000 by 4/14/13. I'm an introvert. I don't know 150 people and I don't have facebook. If you believe in this cause, please sign it and share it.

    If you don't believe in it, why not? Am I missing something?
    I'd rather see limits on lobbying and influence peddling. I'd rather see the road from public office to a lobby position at many times their former salary ended. This allows lobbies to offer positions and future salaries in exchange for influence.

    Also, lobbying should be done in full public view only. Let the lobbyists stand before committees or congress, on c-span and make their appeals, then let there be a public debate over it. This seems a common sense measure, check and balance against a lopsided representation.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sisyphus View Post
    Too late. They created a Democratic (sort of) Republic, which by granting voting rights to more persons, since, it is now an in-fact Democratic Republic.
    please will you show me where they state American government of the founders is democratic....federalist papers, letter of the founders, founding documents will do.

    but I will tell you....good luck in finding such a thing.....its not voting, but the 17th amendment which has moved America closer to that evil democracy.
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