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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You can't get elected unless you are corrupt. The system we have in place demands it.
    That is a problem, anyone running for the House or Senate must raise millions to run even a viable campaign. To raise that kind of money, they to special interests, lobbyist, huge money donors, corporations, Wall Street, etc. The ones who donate the millions expect something in return, favorable legislation, tax incentives or subsidies. In other words even before a candidate gets elected he has already sold his heart and soul just for a chance to the special interests.

    Term limits, I fail to see how this changes the system. As you yourself said, these moneyed people would just go out and buy the new candidates that are replacing the ones whom have been term limited.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is a problem, anyone running for the House or Senate must raise millions to run even a viable campaign. To raise that kind of money, they to special interests, lobbyist, huge money donors, corporations, Wall Street, etc. The ones who donate the millions expect something in return, favorable legislation, tax incentives or subsidies. In other words even before a candidate gets elected he has already sold his heart and soul just for a chance to the special interests.
    Precisely. That's why we need to eliminate lobbyists, eliminate the ability to buy influence, etc. The whole system is now corrupt and under the sole control of the people who benefit most from it's corruption.

    Term limits, I fail to see how this changes the system. As you yourself said, these moneyed people would just go out and buy the new candidates that are replacing the ones whom have been term limited.
    In and of itself, it won't, it's part of a larger, comprehensive election reform that needs to happen that takes the money and power away from the parties and puts it back in the hands of the people where it belongs. No single change will fix the problem, lots of changes are required.
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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Precisely. That's why we need to eliminate lobbyists, eliminate the ability to buy influence, etc. The whole system is now corrupt and under the sole control of the people who benefit most from it's corruption.



    In and of itself, it won't, it's part of a larger, comprehensive election reform that needs to happen that takes the money and power away from the parties and puts it back in the hands of the people where it belongs. No single change will fix the problem, lots of changes are required.
    My sentiments exactly. But the changes would require a Constitutional Amendment.
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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    My sentiments exactly. But the changes would require a Constitutional Amendment.
    And as I'm having a discussion elsewhere, the Constitutional Amendment system is really unworkable today. It worked when people cared about what was best for the country, it doesn't work when the country is ideologically divided as it is today.
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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is a problem, anyone running for the House or Senate must raise millions to run even a viable campaign. To raise that kind of money, they to special interests, lobbyist, huge money donors, corporations, Wall Street, etc. The ones who donate the millions expect something in return, favorable legislation, tax incentives or subsidies. In other words even before a candidate gets elected he has already sold his heart and soul just for a chance to the special interests.

    Term limits, I fail to see how this changes the system. As you yourself said, these moneyed people would just go out and buy the new candidates that are replacing the ones whom have been term limited.
    Then we read that both BHO and Romney each spent $ ONE BILLION DOLLARS on what has become nothing more than a popularity contest! With over 50 million people on foodstamps, and millions of others on housing assistance and other government help, it's enough to make one gag! What has happened to this Country that this isn't questioned? : Our Government is supposed to be for the people...not those running for office in DC!

    And the Dems now want more tax money to spend from people who are being squeezed to death already, not to mention the real costs of Obamacare which aren't fully known yet, but which seem to be rising everytime a new cost report is issued, contrary to promises. C'mon....time to join the real world the rest of us live in, and cut the damn spending! And I mean real spending, not one or two percent of projected future spending! :

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And as I'm having a discussion elsewhere, the Constitutional Amendment system is really unworkable today. It worked when people cared about what was best for the country, it doesn't work when the country is ideologically divided as it is today.
    In today's political climate, it would take a virtual miracle to get an amendment of any topic passed.
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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Representatives, especially, are under pressure to raise money constantly. With only two-year terms, they have to start raising for the next election pretty much the day they're sworn in.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Representatives, especially, are under pressure to raise money constantly. With only two-year terms, they have to start raising for the next election pretty much the day they're sworn in.
    Aristotle said that, as in all things in nature, there is a proper size for a republic. When one's representative has no idea who you are and you have no idea who he is without him spending millions on mass media, it is a sure sign that the polity has grown beyond it's proper size and should be split into smaller pieces. If you haven't, sometime in your life, had a beer with your representative, then the granularity of representation is too coarse.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And as I'm having a discussion elsewhere, the Constitutional Amendment system is really unworkable today. It worked when people cared about what was best for the country, it doesn't work when the country is ideologically divided as it is today.
    My first impulse is to say the amendment process is as valid as ever. But then I thought a bit and you might be right. The last amendment, the 27th ratified by the states had sat around waiting for three fourths of the states to ratified since 1789. So the last amendment recently introduced and passed was the 26th back in 1971. All it did was lower the voting age from 21 to 18. Not a very controversial one. So in reality it has been 42 years since any amendment has been proposed, passed congress and had the states ratify it.

    As to passing an amendment, as long as the money favors one party or the other, there is no way to get the 2/3rds vote requirement in congress. Each party is looking for any advantage they can get, fairness does not enter the equation.

    Then there is the Constitutional Convention which 2/3rds of the states need to call for. It is here where congress might fall in line. By that I mean once congress sees about half the states calling for a Constitutional Convention, they would probably address the speech is money issue and perhaps gain federal funding of elections as those in congress would be so afraid of a total revamp of the Constitution that a Convention could bring.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should Term Limits be implemented for Congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    My first impulse is to say the amendment process is as valid as ever. But then I thought a bit and you might be right. The last amendment, the 27th ratified by the states had sat around waiting for three fourths of the states to ratified since 1789. So the last amendment recently introduced and passed was the 26th back in 1971. All it did was lower the voting age from 21 to 18. Not a very controversial one. So in reality it has been 42 years since any amendment has been proposed, passed congress and had the states ratify it.

    As to passing an amendment, as long as the money favors one party or the other, there is no way to get the 2/3rds vote requirement in congress. Each party is looking for any advantage they can get, fairness does not enter the equation.

    Then there is the Constitutional Convention which 2/3rds of the states need to call for. It is here where congress might fall in line. By that I mean once congress sees about half the states calling for a Constitutional Convention, they would probably address the speech is money issue and perhaps gain federal funding of elections as those in congress would be so afraid of a total revamp of the Constitution that a Convention could bring.
    Good post.

    A Constitutional Convention would be the worst thing that could happen, IMO. EVERYTHING... bar none... would be on the table, and many of our favored rights most likely wouldn't survive.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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