View Poll Results: Has Obama redefined Democratic positions and Liberalism?

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  • Yes, and I disapprove of many of the changes

    11 36.67%
  • Yes, and I approve of many of the changes

    1 3.33%
  • No, his policies are what liberalism really has always been

    5 16.67%
  • No, I see no changes from traditional liberal and Democratic principles

    6 20.00%
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    7 23.33%
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    Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    The loyalty to Obama by Democrats is astonishing to me and appears unique to Obama. Historically, Democrats had no problem protesting Democratic presidents - such as LBJ ("Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?") - while Republicans supported LBJ. Now, partisan lines are so absolute that Obama is like Rev. Moon leading his mindless worshippers.

    Here are many examples:

    1. While infuriated at the the government monitoring who checks out library books, Democrats now support the government using drones in the USA to watch all Americans.

    2. There is silence by Democrats over record numbers of refusals to comply with Open Records requests.

    3. Democrats used to condemn and protest drone strikes in other countries - which Obama condemned in campaigning - but now support even increases in foreign drone strikes.

    4. Democrats support massive increases in the militarization of the police including Federal police.

    5. Democrats dropped all criticism of not closing Gitmo, something Obama campaigned on doing.

    6. Democrats are silent on hypocrisy and contradiction and failure - from the administration cancelling allowing anyone else with pre-existing conditions to have affordable insurance under ObamaCare - to Obama lying and then admitting to proposing sequestration to then oppose what he got passed, drone strikes, Gitmo, and the rest.

    You also hear over and over on this forum extreme arguments that the Bill of Rights are irrelevant in terms of the power of Congress, where liberals used to intensely support the Bill of Rights.

    Has Obama redefined and even reversed many liberal and Democratic traditional stances and priorities?

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The loyalty to Obama by Democrats is astonishing to me and appears unique to Obama. Historically, Democrats had no problem protesting Democratic presidents - such as LBJ ("Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?") - while Republicans supported LBJ. Now, partisan lines are so absolute that Obama is like Rev. Moon leading his mindless worshippers.

    Here are many examples:

    1. While infuriated at the the government monitoring who checks out library books, Democrats now support the government using drones in the USA to watch all Americans.

    2. There is silence by Democrats over record numbers of refusals to comply with Open Records requests.

    3. Democrats used to condemn and protest drone strikes in other countries - which Obama condemned in campaigning - but now support even increases in foreign drone strikes.

    4. Democrats support massive increases in the militarization of the police including Federal police.

    5. Democrats dropped all criticism of not closing Gitmo, something Obama campaigned on doing.

    6. Democrats are silent on hypocrisy and contradiction and failure - from the administration cancelling allowing anyone else with pre-existing conditions to have affordable insurance under ObamaCare - to Obama lying and then admitting to proposing sequestration to then oppose what he got passed, drone strikes, Gitmo, and the rest.

    You also hear over and over on this forum extreme arguments that the Bill of Rights are irrelevant in terms of the power of Congress, where liberals used to intensely support the Bill of Rights.

    Has Obama redefined and even reversed many liberal and Democratic traditional stances and priorities?
    You look at temporary acceptance of your noted "infractions" yet ignore the Obama main mission; expanding the size and scope of federal control, especially increasing income redistribution programs - the #1 goal of the left.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    It was injured long before then. He's just mainstream.

    Know what hurt mainstream traditional liberalism? All those worthless Vietnam hippies who destroyed their brains with too many psychodelics getting old enough and becoming a major voting bloc.

    I like to think that if John Kennedy were alive today and meeting Obama, he'd slap Obama in the face and tell him to grow a pair.

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The loyalty to Obama by Democrats is astonishing to me and appears unique to Obama. Historically, Democrats had no problem protesting Democratic presidents - such as LBJ ("Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?") - while Republicans supported LBJ. Now, partisan lines are so absolute that Obama is like Rev. Moon leading his mindless worshippers.

    Here are many examples:

    1. While infuriated at the the government monitoring who checks out library books, Democrats now support the government using drones in the USA to watch all Americans.

    2. There is silence by Democrats over record numbers of refusals to comply with Open Records requests.

    3. Democrats used to condemn and protest drone strikes in other countries - which Obama condemned in campaigning - but now support even increases in foreign drone strikes.

    4. Democrats support massive increases in the militarization of the police including Federal police.

    5. Democrats dropped all criticism of not closing Gitmo, something Obama campaigned on doing.

    6. Democrats are silent on hypocrisy and contradiction and failure - from the administration cancelling allowing anyone else with pre-existing conditions to have affordable insurance under ObamaCare - to Obama lying and then admitting to proposing sequestration to then oppose what he got passed, drone strikes, Gitmo, and the rest.

    You also hear over and over on this forum extreme arguments that the Bill of Rights are irrelevant in terms of the power of Congress, where liberals used to intensely support the Bill of Rights.

    Has Obama redefined and even reversed many liberal and Democratic traditional stances and priorities?
    As with most Obama-focused criticisms, any of this that even a degree of truth has less to do with Obama and more to do with changing cultural and political contexts associated with the Technological Revolution and the Information Age. But most of it is based on fundamental misinterpretations on what exactly the Democratic Party is and represents to begin with.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It was injured long before then. He's just mainstream.

    Know what hurt mainstream traditional liberalism? All those worthless Vietnam hippies who destroyed their brains with too many psychodelics getting old enough and becoming a major voting bloc.

    I like to think that if John Kennedy were alive today and meeting Obama, he'd slap Obama in the face and tell him to grow a pair.
    Agreed, in spades. Presidents are supposed to be leaders: leaders make decisions, losers make excuses. Obama makes excuses.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed, in spades. Presidents are supposed to be leaders: leaders make decisions, losers make excuses. Obama makes excuses.
    Those sorts of observations are hollow inventions of right-wing political culture. They have no persistent reality or meaning.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    I voted "Other" as today's liberals have no connection to Classical Liberalism...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The loyalty to Obama by Democrats is astonishing to me and appears unique to Obama. Historically, Democrats had no problem protesting Democratic presidents - such as LBJ ("Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?") - while Republicans supported LBJ. Now, partisan lines are so absolute that Obama is like Rev. Moon leading his mindless worshippers.

    Here are many examples:

    1. While infuriated at the the government monitoring who checks out library books, Democrats now support the government using drones in the USA to watch all Americans.

    2. There is silence by Democrats over record numbers of refusals to comply with Open Records requests.

    3. Democrats used to condemn and protest drone strikes in other countries - which Obama condemned in campaigning - but now support even increases in foreign drone strikes.

    4. Democrats support massive increases in the militarization of the police including Federal police.

    5. Democrats dropped all criticism of not closing Gitmo, something Obama campaigned on doing.

    6. Democrats are silent on hypocrisy and contradiction and failure - from the administration cancelling allowing anyone else with pre-existing conditions to have affordable insurance under ObamaCare - to Obama lying and then admitting to proposing sequestration to then oppose what he got passed, drone strikes, Gitmo, and the rest.

    You also hear over and over on this forum extreme arguments that the Bill of Rights are irrelevant in terms of the power of Congress, where liberals used to intensely support the Bill of Rights.

    Has Obama redefined and even reversed many liberal and Democratic traditional stances and priorities?
    This stuff isn't about liberalism or progressivism.

    Rather, this stuff is about executive power.

    And the same kinds of things happen when a Republican is in the White House as well.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Those sorts of observations are hollow inventions of right-wing political culture. They have no persistent reality or meaning.
    Of course they have meaning, and Obama "persistently" makes excuses. This brush-off is what's "hollow."
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    You look at temporary acceptance of your noted "infractions" yet ignore the Obama main mission; expanding the size and scope of federal control, especially increasing income redistribution programs - the #1 goal of the left.
    Why do people think this? I have never understood why conservatives think that all 'the left' wants to do is increase the size of government? I understand that their is a difference between being conservative and being a republican. Yet I always seem to run into conservatives who think that all liberals are democrats and visa versa. I'm not saying that you do, you definitely chose the word left, not liberal. However, I would say I am definitely to the left, but I don't think increasing the size of the federal governement and income redistribution is the path forward. I just never understand why any and all ideas that come out of the left are instantly perceived as the left trying to increase the size of government and control peoples lives. I hear it all the time and it's so confusing to me.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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