View Poll Results: Has Obama redefined Democratic positions and Liberalism?

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  • Yes, and I disapprove of many of the changes

    11 36.67%
  • Yes, and I approve of many of the changes

    1 3.33%
  • No, his policies are what liberalism really has always been

    5 16.67%
  • No, I see no changes from traditional liberal and Democratic principles

    6 20.00%
  • IDK/Other

    7 23.33%
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Obama is a center-right Democrat. He never was a progressive liberal nor did he claim to be one. He was to the Right of Hillary on everything except the Iraq War. Remember when he said he would bomb Pakistan?

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by memmorio View Post
    Well not only that, but people in this country tend to act as though what we call liberal and conservative is universal across the world. I tend to call is political relativism.
    Totally, what is Liberal and Conservative is relative. It's like saying what is the acid and what is the base in chemistry.

    Compared to Europe we're very conservative, compared to China we'd actually be liberal.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Obama is a center-right Democrat. He never was a progressive liberal nor did he claim to be one. He was to the Right of Hillary on everything except the Iraq War. Remember when he said he would bomb Pakistan?
    Oh how I wish Obama was more progressive but then he'd be lynched by the conservative right. =P Like Obama I'm willing to compromise.

    Here's how I'd evaluate the past 3 presidents in terms of political leaning.

    if 1 was right and 9 was left

    Clinton: Social left leaning (6), Fiscal centrist (5), Total 11
    Bush: Social right leaning (3), Fiscal right leaning (3), Total 6
    Obama: Social left leaning (7), Fiscal centrist (4.5), Total 11.5
    Last edited by shiang; 03-18-13 at 01:53 PM.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    Oh how I wish Obama was more progressive but then he'd be lynched by the conservative right. =P Like Obama I'm willing to compromise.
    Amazingly, when polled, most Americans say Obama is too far Left. But, oddly, when Americans are polled without labels, they are further Left than Obama Governs, meaning they choose things like Universal Health Care, pulling out of Afghanistan, nationalizing corrupt banks which fail, that sort of thing. Interesting I thought.

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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Obama is a center-right Democrat. He never was a progressive liberal nor did he claim to be one. He was to the Right of Hillary on everything except the Iraq War. Remember when he said he would bomb Pakistan?
    Obama's words and speeches mean nothing, and when he is forced to act he votes "Present." He is merely an empty suit, a sock puppet for the noisy leftist mob that currently controls the Democrat party.
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    Re: Has Obama harmed traditional liberalism and Democrats' positions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Obama's words and speeches mean nothing, and when he is forced to act he votes "Present." He is merely an empty suit, a sock puppet for the noisy leftist mob that currently controls the Democrat party.
    Parrot RW talking points much? Talk about empty suits and sock puppets.

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