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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I think the outrage displayed by the cons on this topic IS a political stunt. We have more important things to worry about than some trivial tourist tours.
    I find myself almost never agreeing with your sentiments on virtually any topic, and while I don't believe the so-called "outrage displayed" is solely on the part of "cons", I do strongly agree with you that when your country and its President are posting $1 trillion plus deficits now and into the future and $16 trillion, racing to $20 trillion, debt, there is little need to feel any emotion at all at the loss of a few weeks or more of White House tours. One has to wonder, by the way, just how much tour guides are paid and how many Secret Service agents have to twiddle their thumbs to accommodate these tours in the first place to make it a significant cut to implement at this time.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I find myself almost never agreeing with your sentiments on virtually any topic, and while I don't believe the so-called "outrage displayed" is solely on the part of "cons", I do strongly agree with you that when your country and its President are posting $1 trillion plus deficits now and into the future and $16 trillion, racing to $20 trillion, debt, there is little need to feel any emotion at all at the loss of a few weeks or more of White House tours. One has to wonder, by the way, just how much tour guides are paid and how many Secret Service agents have to twiddle their thumbs to accommodate these tours in the first place to make it a significant cut to implement at this time.
    Of course we dont agree and just about everything. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum. However, Im really dumbfounded that the cons are anti-money saving.
    Here, we have a president that is doing what he can to eliminate/curb spending, and you guys poopoo it.

    Ok, perhaps the outrage is coming from the "libertarians" as well.



    I do love puppies and kittens. Im sure you do too. Perhaps we can agree on that.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I do love puppies and kittens. Im sure you do too. Perhaps we can agree on that.
    I love all animals - I'm a dog person, so I have a preference - but I've never met an animal I didn't like and at least enjoy watching if interaction isn't a natural thing for them. I love and respect all forms of life - I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, in that most food I eat comes from some form of life animal/plant - I'm just glad I don't have to be the one to actually "process" the animal kind or I'd starve to death.

    On the more topical point - If you're proud of your President for finally taking a stab at cutting spending by cutting out some White House tours, imagine how overjoyed you'd be if he actually worked with congress to initiate some meaningful, structural, long term cuts that put your country back on a sustainable path. I might even give him props if that happened.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Obama declaring due to the sequester (which limited how much the federal government can increase it's budget this year) that White House tours have to be canceled. This reminds of the historic Jimmy Carter declaring the White House Christmas Tree would not be lite due to a gasoline shortage - although electricity doesn't come from gasoline.

    Does the stunt of the President declaring the government is too broke for White House tours remind you of Jimmy Carter's stunt of not lighting the White House Christmas tree? Is this the same stupid kind of stunt by a President?
    I suppose if this was just one of many things Obama
    cancelled in an effort to save money it would not be a stunt. But since this is the only cost cutting measure he has announced (AFAIK) it is clearly nothing more than a childish reaction to not getting his way.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I love all animals - I'm a dog person, so I have a preference - but I've never met an animal I didn't like and at least enjoy watching if interaction isn't a natural thing for them. I love and respect all forms of life - I'm a bit of a hypocrite though, in that most food I eat comes from some form of life animal/plant - I'm just glad I don't have to be the one to actually "process" the animal kind or I'd starve to death.

    On the more topical point - If you're proud of your President for finally taking a stab at cutting spending by cutting out some White House tours, imagine how overjoyed you'd be if he actually worked with congress to initiate some meaningful, structural, long term cuts that put your country back on a sustainable path. I might even give him props if that happened.

    Ok, this is where we disagree. Im more of a cat person , but im still a sucker for dogs. I, too am a hypocrite when it comes to food.


    In general, i have never been OVER ALL proud of any president (have any of us?). There are things that im glad my president has done and there are things that i didnt care for. Im sure both sides want to work with one another, but things are so politically crappy right now that i dont think we'll ever see both sides work together again (with any future presidents as well)

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I suppose if this was just one of many things Obama
    cancelled in an effort to save money it would not be a stunt. But since this is the only cost cutting measure he has announced (AFAIK) it is clearly nothing more than a childish reaction to not getting his way.
    It's not the only cost cutting that has been made. ICE did release many immigrants from prison.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    It's not the only cost cutting that has been made. ICE did release many immigrants from prison.
    Since you bring up the release of illegals, I'm curious - couldn't the President grant a pardon to all those currently in prison on non-violent, drug possession convictions and in that way greatly reduce the cost of incarceration in America?

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Since you bring up the release of illegals, I'm curious - couldn't the President grant a pardon to all those currently in prison on non-violent, drug possession convictions and in that way greatly reduce the cost of incarceration in America?
    That, i agree upon. I havent seen any indication that he wants non-immigrants released. However, im not sure if he gave the "word" to release any prisoners. I do know that ICE, a government agency, made the move to release them. Did Obama have a say in this? I truly dont know. Im not sure just how much power ICE has. Hell, it could be a republican tactic to stir up controversy in letting the immigrants go. Im not really sure who is in charge of ICE.

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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Frankly I could care less about their tours.

    If I could legally carry concealed during my time in DC, and during the WH tour, then I would go!
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    Re: Is no White House tours like Jimmy Carter's no Christmas Tree lighting?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    That, i agree upon. I havent seen any indication that he wants non-immigrants released. However, im not sure if he gave the "word" to release any prisoners. I do know that ICE, a government agency, made the move to release them. Did Obama have a say in this? I truly dont know. Im not sure just how much power ICE has. Hell, it could be a republican tactic to stir up controversy in letting the immigrants go. Im not really sure who is in charge of ICE.
    I don't blame Obama specifically for the release, although there are memos floating around out there that indicated White House operatives were encouraging agencies to make their cuts hurtful to the public or at least controversial - these releases, however, were done prior to the sequester coming into force. I could be wrong, but I believe Napolitano is the Cabinet Secretary with responsibility over ICE and she claimed to know nothing about the release beforehand.

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