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    Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    I say (emphatically) no - at least, not until they are pronounced 100% well and sane by a qualified psychiatrist. Just tired of hearing about mentally ill individuals shooting up schools/theaters, etc.

    Thoughts/opinions?

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Are there any particular criteria you had in mind to define "mentally ill"?

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Depends on what you mean by mentally ill.


    Certified dangerous by a couple shrinks, and/or involuntarily committed: No.


    Potentially dangerous without their meds (ie some paranoid schitzophrenics): Probably not.


    Minor PTSD, minor anxiety disorder, routine depression... these things should not bar you from gun ownership. They are things most of us will experience at some point in life.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Are there any particular criteria you had in mind to define "mentally ill"?
    I'll defer here to Goshin's post - the first two criteria would definitely, imo, qualify someone as being seriously mentally ill....

    edited to add (and to the above post by Goshin): the last criteria mentioned probably would not, imho, qualify someone as seriously mentally ill and thus should probably not bar someone from owning a firearm....
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Depends on what you mean by mentally ill.


    Certified dangerous by a couple shrinks, and/or involuntarily committed: No.


    Potentially dangerous without their meds (ie some paranoid schitzophrenics): Probably not.


    Minor PTSD, minor anxiety disorder, routine depression... these things should not bar you from gun ownership. They are things most of us will experience at some point in life.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is my friend you don't know when one of these guys will lose it and go off the deep end......then it is to late.


    NP, by some estimates half the soldiers coming home from war have some level of PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Most will get over the worst of it within a few years; very very few are actually dangerous because of it. Yet some Fed laws have vets worried that admitting to ANY PTSD will get their right to a gun taken away permanently due to some recent rules.

    Lots of people deal with some (minor) depression or anxiety at some point in their lives. I myself have anxiety disorder, but it is minor and I can usually manage it without resorting to meds.

    Lots of people have minor mental health issues... no reason to take their rights away unless they're certified dangerous by a professional in the field.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is my friend you don't know when one of these guys will lose it and go off the deep end......then it is to late.
    Just wanted to comment on this briefly....

    As someone whom has struggled with mental illness in the past (severe ptsd, to split the hairline here), I can attest that qualified psychiatrists have a sort of "danger scale," which they use to gauge the level of hostility in their clients. Take me, for instance - I will be the first to concede there was once a time when I had no business owning a gun, albeit the person I was probably the most dangerous to was myself.... I've since made a full recovery and been pronounced cured by my physicians - this has just happened within the last six months or so. Now, I personally don't like guns and don't own any - however, I won't stand in judgment of those whom struggle (say) with MINOR psychiatric difficulties and own guns as well. From my experience, most people whom experience mild issues are in no way a danger to anyone - however, I do hear what you are saying. I guess there are no guarantees - one thing I've learned is that nothing is 100% - the only thing us humans can't escape is death.... They told me that when I joined the Navy and it has taken me many years to finally grasp the meaning of that phrase.

    I guess what I'm saying, NP is that you have a valid point. From what I understand, the Colorado theater shooter (Holmes) was in treatment with a qualified psychiatrist before the shooting - he basically pulled wool over her eyes. So absolutely, nothing is 100% and guaranteed.... Generally speaking, however, I would tend to agree with Goshin, as MOST people who struggle with minor disorders are completely harmless.... Furthermore (from my experience), those people tend to be better off than normal people who've never been treated for any mental disorder.... But maybe that is another issue.

    Please know that I do hear what you are saying....

    edited to add: Now, some people are diagnosed mentally ill these days whom are completely normal - but, that is another topic altogether (I could go into what I believe to be a lot of over-diagnoses by a lot of over-zealous psychiatrists these days, but now I am getting off me own topic)... Anyway, hope all of this clears up my intent for this thread...
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    I say (emphatically) no - at least, not until they are pronounced 100% well and sane by a qualified psychiatrist. Just tired of hearing about mentally ill individuals shooting up schools/theaters, etc.

    Thoughts/opinions?
    It depends on what flavor of mental illness they have. If it's typical depression or anxiety, sure, why not? If they are paranoid schizophrenics, then I'd be hesitant to trust them with kitchen utensils, much less guns.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    I say (emphatically) no - at least, not until they are pronounced 100% well and sane by a qualified psychiatrist. Just tired of hearing about mentally ill individuals shooting up schools/theaters, etc.

    Thoughts/opinions?
    My first impulse is to ask if this is a trick question? I would think the common sense answer is no, I would not a mentally ill person to own or have a firearm. Heck, I do not want criminals to have firearms either.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    NP, by some estimates half the soldiers coming home from war have some level of PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Most will get over the worst of it within a few years; very very few are actually dangerous because of it. Yet some Fed laws have vets worried that admitting to ANY PTSD will get their right to a gun taken away permanently due to some recent rules.

    Lots of people deal with some (minor) depression or anxiety at some point in their lives. I myself have anxiety disorder, but it is minor and I can usually manage it without resorting to meds.

    Lots of people have minor mental health issues... no reason to take their rights away unless they're certified dangerous by a professional in the field.

    Not sure I agree with you although I do agree with you on most issues,,,,

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