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Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

Should the mentally ill be able to own guns?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 23.1%

  • No

    Votes: 34 65.4%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • Total voters
    52
joko104 said:
This is a stupid poll.

Maybe I should start one asking: "Should a woman be able to use a firearm to prevent being raped and her and her whole family murdered?"
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Do it !
I am NOT of that opinion at all...this poll is of value, intelligent ideas can be shared....we do have some liberals and semi-liberals here..
As to the woman...any means available, I favor the quick and very "hurtful" non-lethal , but if she is carrying an AK-47 or a M-1...so much the better ...
 
chromium said:
If those moments are rare then I think you have an excellent point that some people need to be protected against themselves. In cases where it's more or less constant and attempts at treatment have been made, i think it would be cruel to not let them go, however difficult that is. The 'having no reason to be depressed' ultimately does not matter from this perspective.
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In theory, I agree. But when it is someone you know....
 
earthworm said:
intelligent ideas can be shared....we do have some liberals and semi-liberals here..
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Mighty generous of you, to allow intelligence in semi-liberals
 
earthworm said:
I'll admit that this is difficult to determine (we need better psychologists)..
Non-lethal is the answer.
Lethal weapons for our police....this is where I feel the England is wrong..
And plenty of ammo and weapons for our hunters, plus open season on deer.
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Sounds like you want open season on women and children too.
 
SMTA said:
And your professional psychiatric training and certifications allow you to make that comment, right?

Pshaw.
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No, absolutely not (I don't claim to be a mental health expert) - however, my doctors and therapists (and I have seen - over the years, mind you - the best in the country) agree with me on this..... Look, I suggest you re-read Goshin's post (and carefully) - for it is, for the most part, right on. The key here is, of course, letting the DOCTORS make the decision, NOT the client....
 
Nightrider said:
No, absolutely not (I don't claim to be a mental health expert) - however, my doctors and therapists (and I have seen - over the years, mind you - the best in the country) agree with me on this..... Look, I suggest you re-read Goshin's post (and carefully) - for it is, for the most part, right on. The key here is, of course, letting the DOCTORS make the decision, NOT the client....
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I completely agree - Goshin is usually spot on with his comments.

I was just busting your chops a bit! :mrgreen:
 
And how do you determine whether or not someone is mentally ill? That's the most important question.
 
Voltaire X said:
And how do you determine whether or not someone is mentally ill? That's the most important question.
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Personally, I consider that to be one of those "you know it when you see it" things, but I'm sure medical professionals have specific procedures and diagnosis.
 
ecofarm said:
Personally, I consider that to be one of those "you know it when you see it" things, but I'm sure medical professionals have specific procedures and diagnosis.
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I think on another thread you made it clear that the only proof you think is required is anyone says the person in mentally ill. Then all firearms of the person seized and the person banned from ever having a firearm again.
 
joko104 said:
I think on another thread you made it clear that the only proof you think is required is anyone says the person in mentally ill. Then all firearms of the person seized and the person banned from ever having a firearm again.
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I think you're inventing BS to disparage someone that is not lock-step with you on every single little tiny detail. Scummy move, buddy.
 
Nightrider said:
Heck no, not at all a trick question.... I see that someone actually voted yes, so I do in fact see the need for further discussion on this topic here (I would hope the person whom voted yes would comment, so we could see, at least, where they are coming from and if they can make a valid point).
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That would be me.

There is no mention of mental health in the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon by mental health experts, or anyone else for that matter.
 
Perotista said:
If someone voted yes, I would prefer he kept his justification to himself. I just assumed that 100% would vote no. But you know what they say about assumptions.
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Too late.
 
d0gbreath said:
That would be me.

There is no mention of mental health in the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon by mental health experts, or anyone else for that matter.
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Look, this is not a partisan issue, imho - it is simply one of common sense. Even Reagan (whom I greatly admired, as one of our best presidents) understood that - after all, if the Brady Act (signed into law by Clinton in '93) had been in force in the early 1980's, Reagan and James Brady would probably not have been shot in the first place....

I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but this thread is not really about that - I am actually thinking here of the victims, not the perpetrators, of gun violence here in the US. I mean, maybe I could see your point - but it would be hypocritical of me to admit that in the first place. I mean, if it was my kid whom had been one of the victims of Sandy Hook, I'd be personally writing a letter to Obama DEMANDING that "loons" should be, at the very least, placed in a national database and NOT have any access to guns (PERIOD). So, I merely try to place myself in other people's shoes, especially on topics like this....

I think your argument is a straw man, and not one I'm interested in talking about any further - I've said all I mean to say here.
 
Nightrider said:
Look, this is not a partisan issue, imho - it is simply one of common sense. Even Reagan (whom I greatly admired, as one of our best presidents) understood that - after all, if the Brady Act (signed into law by Clinton in '93) had been in force in the early 1980's, Reagan and James Brady would probably not have been shot in the first place....

I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but this thread is not really about that - I am actually thinking here of the victims, not the perpetrators, of gun violence here in the US. I mean, maybe I could see your point - but it would be hypocritical of me to admit that in the first place. I mean, if it was my kid whom had been one of the victims of Sandy Hook, I'd be personally writing a letter to Obama DEMANDING that "loons" should be, at the very least, placed in a national database and NOT have any access to guns (PERIOD). So, I merely try to place myself in other people's shoes, especially on topics like this....

I think your argument is a straw man, and not one I'm interested in talking about any further - I've said all I mean to say here.
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That works for me.
 
joko104 said:
Sounds like you want open season on women and children too.
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Which word that I used gives you that idea ?
I'd like to think that I love humanity....so no-lethal is the way, IMO.
Deer belong NOT in suburbia, a cute Bambi grows to be a destructive pest.
I suspect that my words do not fit into speed reading.
Or, a second retort to "open season on women and children"..Thats about what we have now ; I advocate strict and detailed gun ownership records that are enforced... and a prohibition of the insane and semi-insane from using guns.
 
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