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Thread: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    That would be me.

    There is no mention of mental health in the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms shall not be infringed upon by mental health experts, or anyone else for that matter.
    Look, this is not a partisan issue, imho - it is simply one of common sense. Even Reagan (whom I greatly admired, as one of our best presidents) understood that - after all, if the Brady Act (signed into law by Clinton in '93) had been in force in the early 1980's, Reagan and James Brady would probably not have been shot in the first place....

    I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but this thread is not really about that - I am actually thinking here of the victims, not the perpetrators, of gun violence here in the US. I mean, maybe I could see your point - but it would be hypocritical of me to admit that in the first place. I mean, if it was my kid whom had been one of the victims of Sandy Hook, I'd be personally writing a letter to Obama DEMANDING that "loons" should be, at the very least, placed in a national database and NOT have any access to guns (PERIOD). So, I merely try to place myself in other people's shoes, especially on topics like this....

    I think your argument is a straw man, and not one I'm interested in talking about any further - I've said all I mean to say here.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    Look, this is not a partisan issue, imho - it is simply one of common sense. Even Reagan (whom I greatly admired, as one of our best presidents) understood that - after all, if the Brady Act (signed into law by Clinton in '93) had been in force in the early 1980's, Reagan and James Brady would probably not have been shot in the first place....

    I'm all for the 2nd amendment, but this thread is not really about that - I am actually thinking here of the victims, not the perpetrators, of gun violence here in the US. I mean, maybe I could see your point - but it would be hypocritical of me to admit that in the first place. I mean, if it was my kid whom had been one of the victims of Sandy Hook, I'd be personally writing a letter to Obama DEMANDING that "loons" should be, at the very least, placed in a national database and NOT have any access to guns (PERIOD). So, I merely try to place myself in other people's shoes, especially on topics like this....

    I think your argument is a straw man, and not one I'm interested in talking about any further - I've said all I mean to say here.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sounds like you want open season on women and children too.
    Which word that I used gives you that idea ?
    I'd like to think that I love humanity....so no-lethal is the way, IMO.
    Deer belong NOT in suburbia, a cute Bambi grows to be a destructive pest.
    I suspect that my words do not fit into speed reading.
    Or, a second retort to "open season on women and children"..Thats about what we have now ; I advocate strict and detailed gun ownership records that are enforced... and a prohibition of the insane and semi-insane from using guns.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Can you elaborate?
    Just messin' with you.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    IMHO, goshin is never right.
    That's just mean.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's just mean.
    Karma, baby.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's just mean.

    Always consider the souce. You'll notice I didn't bother to reply.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    No, absolutely not (I don't claim to be a mental health expert) - however, my doctors and therapists (and I have seen - over the years, mind you - the best in the country) agree with me on this..... Look, I suggest you re-read Goshin's post (and carefully) - for it is, for the most part, right on. The key here is, of course, letting the DOCTORS make the decision, NOT the client....

    I'd be cautious about giving the docs too much subjective judgement authority. I'd prefer a set of objective standards with modest wiggle room and an appeals process in case one shrink isn't being reasonable.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Yes, with a qualifier. No if they have ever been convicted of any violent crime or are ineligible for a driver's license.
    Driving a automobile is not a right it is a privilege given by the State. Possession of a firearm is a right that can only be severed by a court action. Anyone who has a mental illness that would severely distort a person's view of reality should not have access to firearms.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'd be cautious about giving the docs too much subjective judgement authority. I'd prefer a set of objective standards with modest wiggle room and an appeals process in case one shrink isn't being reasonable.
    Point well taken and appreciated....

    Always someone out there whom knows more than me - or rather, can help me see things from a different angle. Once again, I think you are right.

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