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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Doesn't matter to me how they get there. If the are living off others, then they should not be allowed to buy guns. If they have money for a gun, then they shouldn't be living off others.
    Uh, maybe they owned guns BEFORE hand??

    If something happened to you abruptly and you ended up on medicare/medicaid or SSI, would you sell of all your guns if you could help it? I know you would not.

    So what about Seniors on Social Security... you want to take all their guns too?


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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, well, that wasn't the question.
    I'm answering the question. Gun violence is not simply about crazy people having access to guns, it's about people with mental health issues who are being improperly treated who have access to guns. Almost all of the recent school shootings have been by young people being treated for mental health. The Sandy Hook incident was by a guy who was withdrawaling from his medication FFS.

    The media loves to blame guns but it's cutback in mental health care that has caused this issue to come to a head.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Yes, with a qualifier. No if they have ever been convicted of any violent crime or are ineligible for a driver's license.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    I say (emphatically) no - at least, not until they are pronounced 100% well and sane by a qualified psychiatrist. Just tired of hearing about mentally ill individuals shooting up schools/theaters, etc.

    Thoughts/opinions?
    Depends on the level of illness, and what the illness is. Not all psychological problems are debilitating.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Isn't it like 2/3 mentally ill don't even seek treatment? I would think such bans would discourage them from doing so even more, especially the PTSD veterans crowd. "Mentally ill" is such a broad category and for that matter so are some of the illnesses. There's a reason doctors will ask if their patient has thoughts of harming self/others. Obviously if they say "Yes, and I'm going to do it right after this appointment," then I would say they should not be allowed around guns. Anything other than a confession, though, is just going off of assumption or probability. The vast majority, even those who have these thoughts, never harm anyone.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

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    I disagree, my leftwing friend.
    Can you elaborate?
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    One of those "grey area" questions.

    A friend of mine held a burglar who picked a neighbor's door lock at gunpoint until the cops had arrived, a couple of years ago. It turned out, the guy was wanted for murder.

    This friend is struggling with major depressive disorder for most of his life, and I was always apprehensive about a loaded Glock being within his reach at any time...You can say that it is his life, but at the rare moments when the pain is almost (?) unbearable - is it really his life, or his life is being usurped by the malfunction in his brain? Objectively, the man has nothing to be depressed about - he is rich, he is loved, he is an excellent scientist - and he knows all that; still, he always had this air of a fatalist who can see an upside in dying ten minutes from now. He would walk up, unarmed, to a known murderous thug surrounded by leather-jacket zombies, and tell him to leave someone alone - and the thug would fade away - feeling, perhaps, that his opponent is not afraid to die - and, while insinctvely admiring the "courage", I could not suppress my understanding that this is not courage at all - but a plea for a dignified way out.

    I know he will never hurt innocent others. But...swallowing a bullet is so fast and clean. Not like the indecency of hanging or the cheesy melodrama of cutting your wrists in the freaking bathtub.

    I am 100% "pro-gun", but if I were ever asked to decide whether he should or should not be allowed to own his weapons - I honestly don't know what I would do.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Since I am a firm believer in equality I say hell no, not never!

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    I say (emphatically) no - at least, not until they are pronounced 100% well and sane by a qualified psychiatrist. Just tired of hearing about mentally ill individuals shooting up schools/theaters, etc.

    Thoughts/opinions?
    I voted "unsure."

    What are we calling "mentally ill?"

    Does a phobia count? Mild depression? Anxiety?

    Here's the thing: most people will experience some degree of mental illness at some point in their lives. So what kind of criteria are you using here?

    Here's the criteria I am using: people who have psychotic disorders during which they are known to be paranoid and/or violent. I know a couple, and they don't think they should have guns either, even when medicated and well.

    The thing with psychotic disorders is that treatment is a life-long, on-going process in most cases. The meds that work at 20 may not work at 40. The side effects may become severe enough to necessitate a med switch. Either of those things can destabilize the person in the short or long term. And finally, for a lot of people with psychotic disorders, no med can give them 100% remission. For some, the best they can hope for is that the symptoms will just become tolerable.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    One of those "grey area" questions.

    A friend of mine held a burglar who picked a neighbor's door lock at gunpoint until the cops had arrived, a couple of years ago. It turned out, the guy was wanted for murder.

    This friend is struggling with major depressive disorder for most of his life, and I was always apprehensive about a loaded Glock being within his reach at any time...You can say that it is his life, but at the rare moments when the pain is almost (?) unbearable - is it really his life, or his life is being usurped by the malfunction in his brain? Objectively, the man has nothing to be depressed about - he is rich, he is loved, he is an excellent scientist - and he knows all that; still, he always had this air of a fatalist who can see an upside in dying ten minutes from now. He would walk up, unarmed, to a known murderous thug surrounded by leather-jacket zombies, and tell him to leave someone alone - and the thug would fade away - feeling, perhaps, that his opponent is not afraid to die - and, while insinctvely admiring the "courage", I could not suppress my understanding that this is not courage at all - but a plea for a dignified way out.

    I know he will never hurt innocent others. But...swallowing a bullet is so fast and clean. Not like the indecency of hanging or the cheesy melodrama of cutting your wrists in the freaking bathtub.

    I am 100% "pro-gun", but if I were ever asked to decide whether he should or should not be allowed to own his weapons - I honestly don't know what I would do.
    If those moments are rare then I think you have an excellent point that some people need to be protected against themselves. In cases where it's more or less constant and attempts at treatment have been made, i think it would be cruel to not let them go, however difficult that is. The 'having no reason to be depressed' ultimately does not matter from this perspective.

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