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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightrider View Post
    It's all my fault and I take full blame for this - I probably even should have used the term "crazy/dangerously insane people" instead of "mentally ill." But, since I decided to use the broader PC term, this poll/thread is a mess....
    And what a wonderful mess it is.

    If you had worded the post more accurately, this thread would be dead. People would have answered the poll, maybe posted a comment or two, and left. But now we have people assuming their own meaning and defining to each-other what their terms are. I think you did this correctly. This is a debate forum, and you gave us something to debate.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    there are loads of people who have mental issues and then there are people who have mental illnesses who pose a threat to themselves and others. People who have a mental illness or people who have a mental issue that could spiral into bad problems if they do not take their medication should be banned from owning or operating guns or other weapons.

    People who have mental issues or mental illnesses in which they do not pose a threat to themselves or others but who use medications that have the side effect that they could become violent, then they too should not be allowed to own or operate guns.

    At least that is my opinion when it comes to mental issues and guns.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Aren't the mentally ill, to be PC mentally challenged one of the liberals protected groups under ADA ?

    The hypocrisy of the political left.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And what a wonderful mess it is.

    If you had worded the post more accurately, this thread would be dead. People would have answered the poll, maybe posted a comment or two, and left. But now we have people assuming their own meaning and defining to each-other what their terms are. I think you did this correctly. This is a debate forum, and you gave us something to debate.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    I voted yes. ANYONE should be allowed to exercise their natural INALIENABLE rights until they are brought before the judicial system and determined to be unfit. At that point then and only then should they be deprived of their rights. That is the ONLY and proper way to deal with this type of situation. Goshen in my opinion needs to clarify his reasoning and outline what method he prefers. This type matter is a judicial matter and should be decided in court. Its the reason we have them.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Those are not mental illnesses. They are learning disabilities...
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I'm answering the question. Gun violence is not simply about crazy people having access to guns, it's about people with mental health issues who are being improperly treated who have access to guns. Almost all of the recent school shootings have been by young people being treated for mental health. The Sandy Hook incident was by a guy who was withdrawaling from his medication FFS.

    The media loves to blame guns but it's cutback in mental health care that has caused this issue to come to a head.

    Can't we both improve mental health services and accessibility, and, not allow the mentally ill to have guns? Seems both together would have the most positive results.
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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    any one that needs to own a gun is mentally ill on so many levels..

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Can't we both improve mental health services and accessibility, and, not allow the mentally ill to have guns? Seems both together would have the most positive results.
    I agree with everything except eliminating gun rights for the "mentally ill", because in America that constitutes more than 20% of the population. Our medical sector already greatly over-diagnoses and medicates the general public while true mental health - the kind that needs people to be institutionalized, not running around the streets homeless - is not being treated. If we allow mental illness to be the indicator of overriding the 2nd Amendment, then the government will use that as a power grab.

    Also, just because someone has a mental illness does not mean they are incompetent or irresponsible. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

    If anything, it would make much more sense to limit firearms to people who have been convicted of violent crimes, but in the case of Sandy Hook that would not have made one bit of difference since the attacker had no criminal record.

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    Re: Should the mentally ill be able to own/carry guns?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I agree with everything except eliminating gun rights for the "mentally ill", because in America that constitutes more than 20% of the population. Our medical sector already greatly over-diagnoses and medicates the general public while true mental health - the kind that needs people to be institutionalized, not running around the streets homeless - is not being treated. If we allow mental illness to be the indicator of overriding the 2nd Amendment, then the government will use that as a power grab.

    Also, just because someone has a mental illness does not mean they are incompetent or irresponsible. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

    If anything, it would make much more sense to limit firearms to people who have been convicted of violent crimes, but in the case of Sandy Hook that would not have made one bit of difference since the attacker had no criminal record.

    There of course would have to be some reasonable level of incompetency set by mental health experts. I don't buy your argument about the 2nd Amendment here however as nowhere in there does it say the mentally ill shall be part of the well-regulated militia.
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