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    Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    In 2008, Obama repeatedly vowed to close Gitmo if he became Commander In Chief and that Gitmo shamed America to the entire world. When elected president, since Gitmo is part of a military base and operation, he could have closed it merely by signing an Executive Order without any need for approval by Congress.

    He did not close it. Amazingly, closing Gitmo was again part of his campaign in the 2012 election.

    Personally, I can think of no more clear example (of so many) in which Obama is an outright calculated - if not pathological - liar.

    However, the poll question is simple:

    Did Obama lie during the 2008 election when he vowed to close Gitmo if he became president?

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In 2008, Obama repeatedly vowed to close Gitmo if he became Commander In Chief and that Gitmo shamed America to the entire world. When elected president, since Gitmo is part of a military base and operation, he could have closed it merely by signing an Executive Order without any need for approval by Congress.

    He did not close it. Amazingly, closing Gitmo was again part of his campaign in the 2012 election.

    Personally, I can think of no more clear example (of so many) in which Obama is an outright calculated - if not pathological - liar.

    However, the poll question is simple:

    Did Obama lie during the 2008 election when he vowed to close Gitmo if he became president?
    Depends on how philosophical you are about the term 'lie'. Really comes down to what side of the linguistic spectrum your sense falls on.

    My instinct is, "no," to 2008 and "yes" to 2012, but I could be wrong.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Yes its pretty clear that he broke his promise to close GITMO

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ention-center/


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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    A wonderful experiment. His supporters cheered in 2008 when he vowed to close GITMO, and then cheered again when he said it recently. Seems their memory (and therefore their attention to history) is less than 4 years. That's good to know when you are looking to do things that have been historically proven to be negative. The shorter the memory and the higher the level of personal greed over the needs of the public the easier it is to distract voters while you strip their rights.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Yes, he lied about that. I don't consider it a lie when a politician makes a promise in good and tries to keep that promise but fails due to no fault of his own. But I don't see that being the case here. We'll see if he manages to close it before his final term is over. I have my doubts.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    A wonderful experiment. His supporters cheered in 2008 when he vowed to close GITMO, and then cheered again when he said it recently. Seems their memory (and therefore their attention to history) is less than 4 years. That's good to know when you are looking to do things that have been historically proven to be negative. The shorter the memory and the higher the level of personal greed over the needs of the public the easier it is to distract voters while you strip their rights.
    I'm not under the impression that the issue raises that much concern except for left-wing libertarians.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Obama doesn't lie. He "evolves".

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Definition of LIE

    intransitive verb
    1
    : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
    2
    : to create a false or misleading impression

    Lie - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    To know if he lied or not, one would have to know what his intent was.

    And since I assume no one here knows that - then no one here can know if he actually lied or not.


    Either he lied about it OR he meant to close it but later found out some details that made him chicken out.

    Either way is not good.

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    Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Lets give him the benefit of the doubt. Candidate Obama may have believed what he said. President Obama got smacked across the cheek with the ****ty end of the reality stick. Ideological goals and fantasies are fine for dreamers...not so good for realists and leaders. Obama not only DIDNT do what he said he would do, he has expanded the Bush policies. So...2008...not a liar (I think he really beloved his own hype). 2012...yeah...campaign rhetoric that you know is bull**** is a lie. What's remarkable is that so many buy into it.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Why is no one discussing the fact that Congress prevented anyone from being able to close Guantanamo Bay? From what I understand, Congress used it's budget oversight ability to specifically ban any funding to go to trials of Guantanamo inmates on US soil. The also blocked the sale of a prison in Illinois to the federal government to house prisoners. Additionally, I'm pretty sure the most recent defence bill included a provision that mandates military detention of all al Qaeda suspects.

    I'm not saying those provisions are right or wrong, but I could understand how the President could have made a promise like that, under current circumstances, and then be unable to accomplish that promise. He has, however, reduced the number inmates there to 1/3-1/2. It's clearly priority, but there is only so much that can be done when congress is pulling the purse strings closed on him.

    Just something to consider on the subject.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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