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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Again, narrow focus. The sentence you bolded, was talking about your argument as a whole, not that one piece. Your argument as a whole is incredibly unconstitutional, and gives tremendous power to the office of the President. I certainly don't support power like that being given to one person.
    Remember, they are 'enemy combatants' held at a U.S. military facility in Cuba and Obama is Commander-in-Chief.

    Does Obama have the authority to release the prisoners held at Gitmo - yes or no?

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In 2008, Obama repeatedly vowed to close Gitmo if he became Commander In Chief and that Gitmo shamed America to the entire world. When elected president, since Gitmo is part of a military base and operation, he could have closed it merely by signing an Executive Order without any need for approval by Congress.

    He did not close it. Amazingly, closing Gitmo was again part of his campaign in the 2012 election.

    Personally, I can think of no more clear example (of so many) in which Obama is an outright calculated - if not pathological - liar.

    However, the poll question is simple:

    Did Obama lie during the 2008 election when he vowed to close Gitmo if he became president?
    No.

    For one, Congress wouldn't have approved of it. There was pushback by a lot of Senators to prevent the transport of the terrorist suspects at Guantanamo to federal prisons here on the US mainland.

    And President Obama already doesn't have the best of relationships with Congress anyways.

    So no, the closing of the terrorist suspect prison camps at Guantanamo is not the biggest lie Obama has told.

    Rather, he's told other lies.
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    Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    No one could prevent Obama from closing Gitmo because it is a military base and he is Commander-In-Chief.

    He certainly can be stopped. The head of any organization is not omnipotent. He - like any leader - has constituencies that he has to keep happy if he wants to continue to be an effective leader. And if anything the issues are WORSE in the public sector. Just look at happens when the military tries to close bases that it wants to close. Congress often doesn't let them.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    I apologize, I clearly didn't articulate that well. You never called him a liar, I was simply taking issue with argument of him being a liar based on this one incident. I didn't mean to imply that you called him a liar, you absolutely did not and I know that.

    That being said, I think you need to do some fact checking. Inside a month of being sworn in, President Obama halted prosecution at Guantanamo, and started a 120 day review of each prisoner, to ensure each were given appropriate trials, and then signed an executive order saying the prison would be closed with in a year. I'll give you that, SO DUMB, to sign that order, without doing the comprehensive review first. The reason being, that the files and evidence regarding each prioners case, were miss handled and many were missing. Causing a delay. It wasn't until 2010 that review was complete, and by then, the midterm elections were taking place. Because of that, you are correct, a lot of house Democrats got scared and didn't think supporting the idea of bringing terrorist to the US for trial would look good for their election chances. By the end of that year, the damage was done, the GOP won the house, and nothing could be done about it.

    My point, is that hindsight is 20/20, and claiming that the President should have known that the files were miss handled and that congressional Democrats would turn on a dime, is idiotic. The President had massive support for the idea of closing Guantanamo, until digging into the issue and realizing nothing was what it seemed regarding the facts of the issue. Congression Democrats supported the idea when he was running for President, and then changed their mind as soon as it looked like they might loose their races because of that support. I think your being facetious about that issue when you try to claim that it was plain as day that this would happen.
    I appreciate all you're saying - I still think if he didn't just want the soundbite and thought through his policy of closing Gitmo to its end point, and if he was competent, he never would have made the suggestion nor signed the executive order, unless he was capable of negotiating a deal with Congress - to me, that makes him arrogant, ignorant, and incompetent. And he's proven that on many different areas of public policy throughout his time in the Presidency.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In 2008, Obama repeatedly vowed to close Gitmo if he became Commander In Chief and that Gitmo shamed America to the entire world. When elected president, since Gitmo is part of a military base and operation, he could have closed it merely by signing an Executive Order without any need for approval by Congress.

    He did not close it. Amazingly, closing Gitmo was again part of his campaign in the 2012 election.

    Personally, I can think of no more clear example (of so many) in which Obama is an outright calculated - if not pathological - liar.

    However, the poll question is simple:

    Did Obama lie during the 2008 election when he vowed to close Gitmo if he became president?
    Did his lips move?

    If they did he lied!! JK

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post


    Except Obama is Commander-in-Chief. He does not need anyone's agreement or permission. He can just do it by military chain-og-command authority.
    I grant that I'm not fully aware of all US laws and the implications, however, if it's true that a President can close any military base at any time he chooses, why does Congress always have committees and commissions looking at such things whenever base closures are at issue?

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Remember, they are 'enemy combatants' held at a U.S. military facility in Cuba and Obama is Commander-in-Chief.

    Does Obama have the authority to release the prisoners held at Gitmo - yes or no?
    Yes, as long as they remain enemy combatants. The issue, is that he does not want them treated that way. He wanted them put on trial in US courts. Done so using judicial powers, not military ones.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    I personally thing that our political system is just one giant lie. Obama has and still lies...but I can't think of any politician in history that hasn't.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate all you're saying - I still think if he didn't just want the soundbite and thought through his policy of closing Gitmo to its end point, and if he was competent, he never would have made the suggestion nor signed the executive order, unless he was capable of negotiating a deal with Congress - to me, that makes him arrogant, ignorant, and incompetent. And he's proven that on many different areas of public policy throughout his time in the Presidency.
    Fair enough. I simply disagree with that assertion on this particular issue. Big picture, and his Presidency as a whole, I could definitely agree with a lot of that. However, this who Guantanamo Bay disagreement came at a time when the GOP had (and some extent still does) no desire to negotiate with the President. That is partially his own fault, but the issue still stands. Congress through the provisions regarding Guantanamo prisoners into a defense authorization bill, in which the President does not have the line item veto power. I can't help but think, that was done on purpose, with political intent. President Obama would have had to veto the entire thing, just to fight that one issue. Whether or not that would have been the right move, is definitely up for debate. If he was truly arrogant, ignorant and incompetent, he would have done whatever he wanted regardless of the ramifications to the country.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Yes, as long as they remain enemy combatants. The issue, is that he does not want them treated that way. He wanted them put on trial in US courts. Done so using judicial powers, not military ones.
    I don't care what your issue is - or Obama's.

    And he rarely mentions them - so don't tell me he is so worried about them getting due process.

    He clearly could care less.



    You admit he can legally release them if he wants to.

    They have been held for over ten years without trial in most/all cases.

    Enough is enough.

    Either release them now or put them on trial now.


    I am done talking with you on this.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-15-13 at 04:29 PM.

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