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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No, he didn't lie - it was just one of a myriad of examples of the man's utter ignorance and incompetence that many saw coming - unfortunately, not enough saw it and still don't.
    In this case my ignorance also. I would have never thought that Obama's enemies would have gone to the efforts they did to prevent him from closing Gitmo.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    Your assertion seems very narrow, to me. Obviously, he can close the darn thing whenever he wants to. The question is, what happens to the people inside? Congress has made it impossible for them to be brought to the US for trial, and has mandated they can only be held in military detentions. So the only other options are to keep Guantanamo open, or release them all and close it. Spine has nothing to do with the discussion, common sense and rational thinking does. Of course he isn't going to release them, so he has to except that ignorant, uninformed people are going to call him a liar, regardless of fact on the issue.
    Clearly, what is right and wrong is irrelevant to you in this case.

    Most of these people have done NOTHING wrong. Almost all of them have never been convicted of anything.

    The only reason most of them are still in Gitmo is because their host countries will not take them back.

    Were I POTUS, I would immediately order the military or CIA or whomever to find a country that will take most of them - even if that country has to be bribed to do so.

    Once I found such a country, I would ask the inmates in question whether they wanted to stay in Gitmo or go to this country. Obviously they would take freedom.

    Then I would give them each a few million and transport them to that country.

    The rest that there is evidence that they are guilty of terrorism, I would order the military to immediately start trials on them - whatever the evidence available is.

    If they are convicted, then start there incarceration.

    If they are found innocent, the same deal as how the others are treated.


    And I don't give a crap what spineless politicians in Congress want.

    Were I Obama, I would stand up and tell them to get off their asses, grow backbones and figure out what to do with these innocent (mostly) people.

    And I would keep on them, day after day, until they did.

    But no, not Obama.

    He makes some stupid promise to win votes, got power and now just ignores the plight of these (mostly) poor individuals and hopes the media will ignore it.

    He could do a TON more to facilitate their release. But he instead does nothing.

    And his ignorant supporters claim it's not his fault.

    Pathetic...just like I think Obama is as a POTUS.


    You do what is right and then worry about the consequences - not the other way around.

    And if that does not sit well with cowardly Congressmen/Senators (or honor-blind Obama supporters)...so much the better.


    If the only way America can survive is to do cowardly acts - then let it die.


    And btw - I am neither Dem nor Rep.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-15-13 at 02:43 PM.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In 2008, Obama repeatedly vowed to close Gitmo if he became Commander In Chief and that Gitmo shamed America to the entire world. When elected president, since Gitmo is part of a military base and operation, he could have closed it merely by signing an Executive Order without any need for approval by Congress.

    He did not close it. Amazingly, closing Gitmo was again part of his campaign in the 2012 election.

    Personally, I can think of no more clear example (of so many) in which Obama is an outright calculated - if not pathological - liar.

    However, the poll question is simple:

    Did Obama lie during the 2008 election when he vowed to close Gitmo if he became president?
    I sure wouldn't go that far as to call the president a liar. Every president has a bunch of campaign promises that go unfulfilled. most campaign promises is just a candidate telling his base and what he thinks the audience he is addressing wants to hear. I, for one am thankful he hasn't carried through on the campaign promise, I also do not look at him as a liar for not doing so.

    If the president has to close the base just to bring the terrorist here to the states, that is a big mistake and plays right into communist Cuba's hands. Besides, if I remember right congress passed a law prohibiting the transfer of the prisoners at GITMO to the states. Then there is what looks good, what sounds good as a candidate can change when one becomes president. He learns things that he was not privy to as a candidate. He has to govern instead of running for an office. Things chance and as long as the prisoners stay at GITMO, I am happy.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post
    If you saw coming that Congress would change existing laws, in order to prevent the closing of Guantanamo Bay, you might be the next Nostradamus. No one saw that coming. It was a deliberate and calculated move, so that the extreme right wing could have fodder to yell and scream about what a liar the President is. Congratulations, you totally feel for it!

    There are plenty of reasons I dislike the President and his policies. This is easily the most illogical, and baseless reason to call the man a liar.
    Did I say Obama lied? Show me where I said he lied.

    I claimed Obama is an ignorant and incompetent fool. Nothing you or your sidekick "OhISee'Then" have proven otherwise.

    You both have proven that you didn't fully comprehend my post as proven by the fact you attack my post yet prove my point. It is a prime example of Obama's ignorance and incompetence that he was so arrogant as not to see that even a majority of Democrats in Congress would oppose his plan to move war prisoner terrorists from the base in Gitmo to the continental USA. You can claim that the Republicans stopped Gitmo being closed but you fail to remember that Democrats held control of both houses of Congress in Obama's first two years in office, the time during which he said he would close Gitmo as well as the time during which he and his Attorney General claimed it would be a good idea to have show trials of the 9/11 terrorists in New York City courts.

    I didn't need to be Nostradamus to see what would happen - I simply needed to have my head in the air and not shoved up the asses of Obama and his fawning media lackies.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    In this case my ignorance also. I would have never thought that Obama's enemies would have gone to the efforts they did to prevent him from closing Gitmo.
    No one could prevent Obama from closing Gitmo because it is a military base and he is Commander-In-Chief.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I sure wouldn't go that far as to call the president a liar. Every president has a bunch of campaign promises that go unfulfilled. most campaign promises is just a candidate telling his base and what he thinks the audience he is addressing wants to hear. I, for one am thankful he hasn't carried through on the campaign promise, I also do not look at him as a liar for not doing so.

    If the president has to close the base just to bring the terrorist here to the states, that is a big mistake and plays right into communist Cuba's hands. Besides, if I remember right congress passed a law prohibiting the transfer of the prisoners at GITMO to the states. Then there is what looks good, what sounds good as a candidate can change when one becomes president. He learns things that he was not privy to as a candidate. He has to govern instead of running for an office. Things chance and as long as the prisoners stay at GITMO, I am happy.

    Then why did he promise again in 2012 to close Gitmo? Sorry, your trying to cover his ass doesn't work.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Then why did he promise again in 2012 to close Gitmo? Sorry, your trying to cover his ass doesn't work.
    That is what his base wanted to hear, Romney was no difference in the campaign promises he made. He knew very well he couldn't fill-full many to most of them. I can think of a whole lot of things to be upset about with this president, but GITMO isn't one of them. As it stands now, he can't legally transfer the prisoners anyway.
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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    [QUOTE=DA60;1061573041]Clearly, what is right and wrong is irrelevant to you in this case.

    Most of these people have done NOTHING wrong. Almost all of them have never been convicted of anything.

    The only reason most of them are still in Gitmo is because their host countries will not take them back.

    Were I POTUS, I would immediately order the military or CIA or whomever to find a country that will take most of them - even if that country has to be bribed to do so.

    Once I found such a country, I would ask the inmates in question whether they wanted to stay in Gitmo or go to this country. Obviously they would take freedom.

    Then I would give them each a few million and transport them to that country.

    The rest that there is evidence that they are guilty of terrorism, I would order the military to immediately start trials on them - whatever the evidence available is.

    If they are convicted, then start there incarceration.

    If they are found innocent, the same deal as how the others are treated.


    And I don't give a crap what spineless politicians in Congress want.

    Were I Obama, I would stand up and tell them to get off their asses, grow backbones and figure out what to do with these innocent (mostly) people.

    And I would keep on them, day after day, until they did.
    QUOTE]

    Wow, there seem to be so many constitutional issues with your ideas, I don't even no where to start, lol. Your advocating that the President, unilaterly, bribe another country, to take people, who have never been tried for a crime, but are viewed as enemy combatants. Then pay those people who were imprisoned, still without trial, and have the military or the CIA take them to that country, all without any involvement from congress at all? I'm all for doing what's right, because it's the right thing to do, damn the concequences. But advocating that a President circumvent the checks and balances of the legislative branch, does not seem like a good idea to me under any circumstances.
    "....The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty...." -Jefferson 1787

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by WWGWD View Post

    Wow, there seem to be so many constitutional issues with your ideas, I don't even no where to start, lol. Your advocating that the President, unilaterly, bribe another country, to take people, who have never been tried for a crime, but are viewed as enemy combatants. Then pay those people who were imprisoned, still without trial, and have the military or the CIA take them to that country, all without any involvement from congress at all? I'm all for doing what's right, because it's the right thing to do, damn the concequences. But advocating that a President circumvent the checks and balances of the legislative branch, does not seem like a good idea to me under any circumstances.
    Hello?

    The vast majority of inmates at Gitmo were already released without Congress's consent.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-15-13 at 03:06 PM.

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    Re: Did Obama lie about closing Gitmo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is what his base wanted to hear, Romney was no difference in the campaign promises he made. He knew very well he couldn't fill-full many to most of them. I can think of a whole lot of things to be upset about with this president, but GITMO isn't one of them. As it stands now, he can't legally transfer the prisoners anyway.
    Yes he can. He can do anything he wants with "enemy combatants." He's Commander-In-Chief.

    Congress not approving of something doesn't stop him as Commander-In-Chief. He engaged in war against the government of Libya ordering many thousands of airstrikes - none with Congressional approval. Congress can pass all the resolutions it wants to, but as Commander-In-Chief he has the final and total say of what to do with military prisoners on military bases.

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