View Poll Results: How much do you care about who the next Pope is?

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  • I care a lot. It means everything to me.

    8 5.76%
  • I could care less.

    70 50.36%
  • What's a pope?

    5 3.60%
  • I care, but it doesn't need as much press as it's getting.

    23 16.55%
  • Who won the hockey game last night is far more important.

    20 14.39%
  • other - please explain

    27 19.42%
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fog hit View Post
    2+2=4.
    So you can't actually demonstrate why you think I'm trying to have it both ways.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Well, I am an atheist who thinks the Church is a horrible institution. However, I understand why this is making so much news and it SHOULD make news. THe Pope is the religious leader of over 1 billion people on Earth. The things he says and rules (whatever you call them) he passes affect not only the behavior of individuals but the actions of nations, particularly in the developing world where the Church holds the most sway.

    I don't care so much who it is because I have low expectations they would choose anyone who would make a positive change. My money is on an old white guy willing to protect child f**kers. Hope I'm wrong.
    Ditto...on your post.

    I think that the Catholic Church has finally revealed its vulnerabilities to public scrutiny in a way that the church has battled to avoid for centuries. The Church use to make people pay for penance and would punish people (including death penalties) claim people to be heretics for whatever reason they made up. In other words, people feared the Church. When the church could no longer play "judge, jury, and executioner...since that time I think more and more people are climbing out of the dark ages thinking and taking on more humanist values that reflect a more realistic obligation to their fellow humans of personal responsibility and accountability...and not dropping the dime on a supernatural being for either being the instigator of human woes...or not intervening in human events because of a free will clause...which ever best suits one's belief at any given moment.

    So now...it appears that people are demanding that the church stop denying its hypocrisies, but more importantly, to stop aiding and abetting criminals (sexual predictors). That makes the Pope's role way more accountable...like it or not.

    Oddly enough, people react to the Church in ways that virtually mimic a form of statutory rules of law created by local, state, and federal government. However, the Church's tenets aren't at all bound by any legal authority. People who choose to accept and practice the tenets of ANY CHURCH do so willing. And rarely does anybody live their lives in perfect harmony with a church's teachings.

    I would think that the only true way to display one's faith would be to be a living example of how one believes. Then if others are somehow attracted to that person's way of life...then they can make inquiry as to how they've come to express their beliefs through their everyday living experiences. The reality is: No church can enforce its teachings and/or tenets in the same manner citizens are subject to regarding civil laws.

    If a person who fails to meet a Church's expectations...then the church can simply drop that person from the membership.

    I personally think its a huge infringement on Separation of Church and State for any church of any given faith to lobby its beliefs to political factions...seeking to get its tenets made into civil law. And the Catholic Church is noted for trying to edge its teaching into civil governments probably more than any other church (with the exception of Muslim religions in the Middle East and other predominate Muslim countries, which obviously is the driving force behind most governments).

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    I'm not Catholic, it doesn't really matter to me. I have little respect for the papacy anyway.
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Interesting that the two factions, which are most vocal on abortion, are allies only on this issue.

    The Catholic Church, and the Southern Evangelist are, for the most part, antagonist to each other. The Catholics believe that the Baptist Protestants are not going to heaven, and the Jones University Protestants Protestants believe that the Catholic Church is a cult.

    It is indeed a strange alliance.

    Both lockstep in making sure that the secularists are put in check by codifying the pro life stance.

    With the SCOTUS Catholic majority... They just might pull it off. After all... This has overtly been the objective for years.

    Let's see... A SCOTUS decision to over turn Roe V Wade
    enacted by the Catholics on the bench. Wonder how thats gonna fly?
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    It was a unique set of circumstances that make John Paul II a towering figure of the 20th century...in terms of church history, however, his legacy will be much more controversial, the fact that the pedophile priest problems began on his watch being only one of the issues complicating his place in papal history.
    Good morning, Chuckberry.

    I am reasonably certain that the pedophile priest problem has a very long history, and didn't start with John Paul II, but it is strange that it became an issue under his watch. The timing bothers me. Did we suddenly become more morally aware of things, or could it have been a propaganda ploy on the part of those who are anti-religion, who delight in calling attention to anything that would make the church look bad?

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fog hit View Post
    Interesting that the two factions, which are most vocal on abortion, are allies only on this issue.

    The Catholic Church, and the Southern Evangelist are, for the most part, antagonist to each other. The Catholics believe that the Baptist Protestants are not going to heaven, and the Jones University Protestants Protestants believe that the Catholic Church is a cult.

    It is indeed a strange alliance.

    Both lockstep in making sure that the secularists are put in check by codifying the pro life stance.

    With the SCOTUS Catholic majority... They just might pull it off. After all... This has overtly been the objective for years.

    Let's see... A SCOTUS decision to over turn Roe V Wade
    enacted by the Catholics on the bench. Wonder how thats gonna fly?
    Good morning Foggie.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if Obamacare, the crown jewel of the President and liberals, became the conduit by which the Roe v Wade decision got reviewed and perhaps overturned by the current Supreme Court?

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    So you can't actually demonstrate why you think I'm trying to have it both ways.
    Are you Catholic?... Yes. Do you want Roe V Wade overturned?... Yes. Does your religious upbringing have an affect on your upbringing?... Yes. Does the Catholic Church want Roe V Wade overturned?... Yes.

    Voilą... =4.

    Any rookie constitutional lawyer can cut holes in any argument for the overturning of Roe V Wade. When 2/3rds of Americans believe that this issue is not for the state to decide... You can have the SCOTUS 100% Catholic or Southern Evangelist, and if Roe V Wade is overturned, within 10 years, that decision will be overturned for good.
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Foggie.

    Wouldn't it be interesting if Obamacare, the crown jewel of the President and liberals, became the conduit by which the Roe v Wade decision got reviewed and perhaps overturned by the current Supreme Court?
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    I'm curious - are the Debate Politics clocks off today or did I move into a Mountain time region overnight and not realize it?

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You think what the pope says and does effect the actions of nations?

    I'm thinking most catholics use some form of birth control.

    Now, now, now, we all know that you get to pick and choose what you want to follow. It's a great way to mask your hate/bigotry.
    (not directed at you, Dragon, but those sheep that blindly follow fairy tales)

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