View Poll Results: How much do you care about who the next Pope is?

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  • I care a lot. It means everything to me.

    8 5.76%
  • I could care less.

    70 50.36%
  • What's a pope?

    5 3.60%
  • I care, but it doesn't need as much press as it's getting.

    23 16.55%
  • Who won the hockey game last night is far more important.

    20 14.39%
  • other - please explain

    27 19.42%
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Like I have said many times..........I don't worship the Church...I worship Jesus Christ and so does every Catholic I know.
    Worship whatever imaginary friend you want, the fact remains that the Church that you claim to be a part of is falling apart.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Have you never heard of hospitals, schools, food programs, etc... supported by churches? I'm not a religious person, but your disdain is inexplicable...
    And tell me any of those things that cannot be done secularly. Come on, answer the question I actually asked, not the one you want to answer.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Telling the truth is not an insult, even if someone feels insulted by it. Try again.
    Hate devours the hater. Those who hate the most are least able to see it.
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And tell me any of those things that cannot be done secularly. Come on, answer the question I actually asked, not the one you want to answer.
    I'm not saying they can't, but evidently the need is there that is not being filled by the seculars. What drives your hatred?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The whole solipsistic nonsense is actually very easy to disprove
    Translation: I don't know what to say.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is why scientists, which are overwhelmingly atheist, are so irrational, right?
    ?
    I am a scientist, and I am an atheist. So, laugh all you want, but answer my questions, when you are done laughing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I find it funny how many people can only imagine a single label must apply to a person.
    YOU DO?! Then what is all this stuff about Catholics being irrational? Pullin' mah leg?


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What is it that you think you're going to learn that we don't already know?
    If I knew what I am going to learn, I would know it already, no?

    A (good) scientist does not try to prove or dispove anything; hypotheses have their use, but they are not central to the scientific method. As a scientist, you study phenomena. You "establish the perimeter" of your empirical competence (your ability to collect meaningful data), and you go from there. When someone claims, say, a "communion with God", you register it. Maybe it is sheer nonsense, maybe it is something else. You don't make value-judgements based on the sensitivity of your instruments - be it a pH-meter or a human brain.

    Sure, if someone says "Gays sould be stoned to death because my secret God-meter says so', you should resist fiercely. But wouldn't it be the same if I said "My not-so-secret pH-meter says so"?

    Imagine yourself, briefly, in the middle of that political turmoil surrounding the first recognition of the HIV epidemic. For a year or two, it really appeared that AIDS is a specifically gay disease. Hard data had suggested so - being limited to a couple of locations in California. As time passed, we have realized that that was a complete illusion - an artifact of trivial epidemiologics - but if, at that point, it would be not LA and SF, but some less fortunate cities, somewhere in Russia or China - the "authorities" would certainly "have taken measures".

    Religion would have nothing to do with it. They would justify it by "science". Just like the Nazis and the Soviets had justified their crimes by "science". Would it matter for victims?
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm not saying they can't, but evidently the need is there that is not being filled by the seculars. What drives your hatred?
    Many of those things are being done secularly, many of the largest charities out there are secular. Those secular charities can manage to do the good work that the religious are, without the religious baggage that the religious charities drag around. Believe it or not, you can feed the hungry without requiring them to hear a sermon first. There are many religious charities, like the Salvation Army, who refuse to help anyone that doesn't listen to their spiel. If you're a non-theist, you can starve as far as they're concerned.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Many of those things are being done secularly, many of the largest charities out there are secular. Those secular charities can manage to do the good work that the religious are, without the religious baggage that the religious charities drag around. Believe it or not, you can feed the hungry without requiring them to hear a sermon first. There are many religious charities, like the Salvation Army, who refuse to help anyone that doesn't listen to their spiel. If you're a non-theist, you can starve as far as they're concerned.
    What baggage do charities provided by churches pose for the recipient? It's your turn to answer the damn question, what is fueling your hatred?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Translation: I don't know what to say.
    No, it's off topic in this forum, it's against the rules to drag a discussion off topic, it's part of the rules that you agree to when you sign up for these forums. I'm sorry that you don't take your own commitments seriously. I told you where we could discuss it, by all means, go start a thread there and I'll be happy to discuss it with you. Hell, I've written about it on my blog, you can go look there too. It's hardly an issue I refuse to handle, I just refuse to do it in the wrong place.

    So enough of that absurd nonsense out of you.
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    What baggage do charities provided by churches pose for the recipient? It's your turn to answer the damn question, what is fueling your hatred?
    Seriously, you just quoted the answer to your own question. Do you actually read?
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Seriously, you just quoted the answer to your own question. Do you actually read?
    You can keep ducking, but it won't work. Answer the question...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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