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  • I care a lot. It means everything to me.

    8 5.76%
  • I could care less.

    70 50.36%
  • What's a pope?

    5 3.60%
  • I care, but it doesn't need as much press as it's getting.

    23 16.55%
  • Who won the hockey game last night is far more important.

    20 14.39%
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    27 19.42%
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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    ... at least as good as the one before that.
    It was a unique set of circumstances that make John Paul II a towering figure of the 20th century...in terms of church history, however, his legacy will be much more controversial, the fact that the pedophile priest problems began on his watch being only one of the issues complicating his place in papal history.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    The thing is, the next pope is not elected by popular vote from the general public.

    What "we" think or know has no bearing on who is elected next.

    Once a new pope is elected yes, that's news, but this daily drudgery of crap before the formal process has even started is wasted space and generally an annoyance.

    I don't care what color curtains are now hanging from some dumb room in some vatican office.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    It was a unique set of circumstances that make John Paul II a towering figure of the 20th century...in terms of church history, however, his legacy will be much more controversial, the fact that the pedophile priest problems began on his watch being only one of the issues complicating his place in papal history.

    I agree that John Paul was an extraordinary Pope. He made the Catholic establishment likable to non Catholics.

    One of the problems of staunch dogma institutions, is when the churches dogma overlaps with politics... Such as abortion. It even manifests on posters signature lines.

    Separation of church and state, was to insure that established churches were not symbiotic with the laws of the state. When this is ignored by the churches faithful, and they try to codify church dogma... This becomes is a problem... A big problem.
    Nothing in excess.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fog hit View Post
    It even manifests on posters signature lines.
    ...which if you read carefully argues that religious dogma is not necessary to make laws against abortion.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    ...which if you read carefully argues that religious dogma is not necessary to make laws against abortion.
    You are skirting around the concept of this whirlpool, trying to have it both ways. It ain't gonna happen.

    This issue is best left for the individuals to decide, and not the state. Otherwise the state becomes the slave to the establishment churches by doing their bidding.
    Nothing in excess.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fog hit View Post
    You are skirting around the concept of this whirlpool, trying to have it both ways.
    How do you figure?
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    I do care, even though my own experiment with Catholicism (and religion in general) had ended long time ago.

    I still have a portrait of Pope Wojtyla (John Paul II) over my desk: his leadership was instrumental in defeating one of the greatest evils that ever plagued human race.

    The Church may be a flawed institution (show me a flawless one), but, in the societies I am familair with, it has a great record of charitable work, of supporting quality education where no one else would, etc.

    Also, while I am comfortable with my atheism, I am not comfortable with the idea of millions suddenly losing their faith without any intellectual or cultural replacement in sight. Human mind abhors spiritual vacuum: remove the Crucifix, a stature of Dear Leader will be erected in its place.

    But we are all familiar with historical examples of the less-attractive side of Catholic organizations.

    Even these days, I cannot quite ignore the fact that a priest warning a family of poor third-world peasants against contraception is making that family's situation progressively more hopeless.

    And political affiliations do matter. While at loggerheads with the Nazis and the Communists, the RCC had generally sided with Franco and Salazar - against both socialist and liberal alternatives. When thugs and demagogues of our time, like Hugo Chavez, present themselves as hyper-Catholic apostles to the poor, I don't think they are lying - that's how they understand Catholicism - Liberation Theology, and all that jazz. It is absolutely important that the next Pontiff would be someone willing and capable of rejecting their version of Christian activism.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    How do you figure?

    2+2=4.
    Nothing in excess.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    As a non-observant Catholic, I have little to no interest in who will be the next Pope. While many of the teachings of the Church have stuck with me as I've aged, the hierarchy and administrative structure of the Church has lost any respect I may have had for it and along with lost respect, interest soon follows.

    I believe I live my life in ways Jesus taught and with an ingrained respect for right and wrong and the frailty of humans like myself. The antiquated rituals and irrational judgements of Catholicism and every other religion are of little consequence to my outlook on life and my treatment of others.

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    Re: Do you REALLY care about the next Pope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Liberation Theology, and all that jazz. It is absolutely important that the next Pontiff would be someone willing and capable of rejecting their version of Christian activism.
    I'm sure that you know John Paul II was an ardent opponent of liberation theology, going so far as publicly scolding Ernesto Cardenal for his place in government.

    Skip to 1:30 for the relevant video. It is a German newscast.

    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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