View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

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  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    Are you aware of the difference between a question and a statement? I asked a question and gave 4 possible options. Now vote or quit complaining.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    I'm normally right on board with you, buuuut...

    I tried to watch Game of Thrones and this is what happened - The Oatmeal

    ...which describes my own experience with uncanny spookiness.

    Also (this describes me too)...

    Take My Money, HBO!

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    None of the options reflect my exact opinion---it is illegal, but the laws may have exceeded the scope of the Constitutional authority to create them. They should be shortened significantly and then become part of the public domain........

    Article I, section 8

    "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    How is it stealing if it was never stolen? I could record TV shows with a VCR and give them to my friends and they would not be stolen. I mean I agree with the argument that illegal torrenting or copying are morally wrong but I wouldn't consider it stealing. Perhaps distributing content without proper licenses and fees but to me its not stealing as the giver from which you are receiving it is a willing participant in the exchange.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    None of the options reflect my exact opinion---it is illegal, but the laws may have exceeded the scope of the Constitutional authority to create them. They should be shortened significantly and then become part of the public domain........

    Article I, section 8

    "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."
    You've hit right at what I'm wondering about. Copyrights don't last forever, nor should they. They expire at some point. The plays of George Bernard Shaw, the stories of Edgar Allan Poe, the plays and poems of William Shakespeare all have expired copyrights. That fact does not hurt any of these men financially.

    What I'm wondering with my question is if perhaps 40 years is about the right cutoff point for TV shows. Is there anyone who worked on Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best or some show from that era who would be hurt financially if those copyrights were expired? It seems like the purpose of copyright is to allow the creator of a work to reap rewards from it.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm normally right on board with you, buuuut...

    I tried to watch Game of Thrones and this is what happened - The Oatmeal

    ...which describes my own experience with uncanny spookiness.
    Heh, that is me as well. Add to the mix that I am always stationed overseas, where things like Hulu aren’t authorized and even if they were the internet speed would make it impractical for streaming. I don’t deal with DVDs anymore. For one, Amazon often won’t mail DVDs to where I am. And you can’t find legal copies locally. Go to Cambodia and try to find a legal version of ANY DVD. You won’t succeed.

    And on top of that is the whole Region specific DVD issue which is a pain for me since I bounce around from continent to continent. I stick solely with digital media when it comes to my TV shows and movies. When there is something I want to watch I ALWAYS go to itunes first to see if I can purchase it. Even if it is expensive I will pay for it.

    But if there is not a way for me to download it and pay for it, then I will download it and not pay for it. I refuse to not watch a show just because the producers refuse to allow me to purchase it the correct way.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You've hit right at what I'm wondering about. Copyrights don't last forever, nor should they. They expire at some point. The plays of George Bernard Shaw, the stories of Edgar Allan Poe, the plays and poems of William Shakespeare all have expired copyrights. That fact does not hurt any of these men financially.

    What I'm wondering with my question is if perhaps 40 years is about the right cutoff point for TV shows. Is there anyone who worked on Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best or some show from that era who would be hurt financially if those copyrights were expired? It seems like the purpose of copyright is to allow the creator of a work to reap rewards from it.
    Are you able to verbalize what right you think you have to the creative work of others if they haven't chosen to allow that right to you? Perhaps just because you want it and that is all the ethics you need?

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Are you able to verbalize what right you think you have to the creative work of others if they haven't chosen to allow that right to you? Perhaps just because you want it and that is all the ethics you need?
    I'm asking when copyrights should expire. When do you think they should? Or do you think they should never expire? Do you think the works of Edgar Allan Poe should still be copyrighted even though he's been dead since 1849?

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