View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    cd's, records, mp3's, 8-tracks, whatever.



    They aren't. To come full circle to what I was talking about earlier, the recording company's main function (like the agent I mentioned earlier) is to build popularity. Their take is obscene, but their promotion campaigns are what put musicians into the mainstream in the first place. I'm not saying I have this great love affair for the recording companies, but to say that pirating only takes money away from the companies ignores the role those companies had in bringing the artists to lime light.
    Just so. Producer Steve Albini has a long tirade available on the internet about how much record companies take away from new artists on their first CD's, but doesn't acknowledge that the only reason the whole nation knows about their new CD is because of the huge marketing machine that the label has, and that the little indie band that could can't even dream of replicating.

    If you want to make a living, you can skip the major labels. If you to make it big...bite the bullet.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Popularity does not pay the rent. The performers and song writers depend on recorded media sales and royalties from mass media to pay for their life expenses, they tour simply to increase those sales. They make little or nothing "on the road" as travel expenses often exceed performance revenue. Absent that income we all suffer as fewer artists can make a decent living from their chosen trade.
    Bands can make money on tours; Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat/Fugazi fame once said that for some early tours, they couldn't justify paying an extra person to sell merchandise on tour, so they didn't sell merchandise at their shows. Even with their goal of having $5 per ticket shows (which was never a hard and fast rule; if they needed to charge more, they did), their tours still earned them money.

    Like any other independent enterprise, being in a band is a business. Some people are good at business, some aren't.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    However, George is doing everything in his power to remove them from the market place.
    Then **** George Lucas. If the abortions that were the most recent Star Wars movies, and before that the butchered versions of the original trilogy, weren't enough for you to lose your childhood love of his films, then you deserve all the hassle you get.

    Our undue fascination with popular culture is feeding the beast we all complain about. Star Wars were entertaining movies...nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Isn't that the whole point? Generally speaking, we obey and support laws because they criminalize immoral behavior. If a law makes it illegal to breathe, is that not an unjust law that should be ignored? Are you a fan of arbitrary limits on human freedom?
    Equating the right to consume entertainment with the right to breathe...thank you for making my point for me.
    Last edited by ChuckBerry; 03-11-13 at 02:32 PM.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    In my opinion, anything put onto airwaves or the Internet should be able to legally copy. It is no different than someone taking a picture of a painting at an art gallery.

    Unless the person is selling copyrighted items, a person can copy anything they see or hear in my opinion.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Bands can make money on tours; Ian Mackaye of Minor Threat/Fugazi fame once said that for some early tours, they couldn't justify paying an extra person to sell merchandise on tour, so they didn't sell merchandise at their shows. Even with their goal of having $5 per ticket shows (which was never a hard and fast rule; if they needed to charge more, they did), their tours still earned them money.

    Like any other independent enterprise, being in a band is a business. Some people are good at business, some aren't.
    It is quite a leap from doing entertaining part time and making a living from it. The recording industry is usually essential for that to happen in most cases. Most of those performing now at SXSW are not "professional" musicians in the sense that it is their primary income source, although they do perform for money whenever possible. A few "unknowns", like Hootie and the Blowfish, get noticed but that is the exception, rather than the rule, absent a recording contract or major media exposure (touring as an opening act for another).
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    I don't know what the copyright laws are and I really could care less.

    There are tons of crappy laws - so I only follow those that I agree with and/or those that are too inconvenient to circumvent.

    My personal ideas on this question are - look hard for it on Amazon, iTunes, Best Buy, Target, WalMart, etc.. If you honestly try your best to find it, but cannot - then download it to your heart's content.

    But the second you see it for sale new, then ditch the bootleg and either buy the original or do without.

    That's how I do it.


    Blindly following laws (or orders) is for weak, spineless sheep, imo.

    Doing what you think is right no matter what - that is cool.
    Last edited by DA60; 03-11-13 at 03:02 PM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm asking when copyrights should expire. When do you think they should? Or do you think they should never expire? Do you think the works of Edgar Allan Poe should still be copyrighted even though he's been dead since 1849?
    What I think the law should be...

    • Copyrights would last for the life of the author +20 years (for heirs).
    • In the case where rights are sold, 20 years from date of first sale (no re-setting the clock for subsequent sales, just 20 years).
    • In the case a copyright is originally owned by a corporation, no limit, though the 20 year rule would kick in if sold (this would include the company itself being sold and the intellectual property being included)
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Isn't that the whole point? Generally speaking, we obey and support laws because they criminalize immoral behavior. If a law makes it illegal to breathe, is that not an unjust law that should be ignored? Are you a fan of arbitrary limits on human freedom?
    No. It's not. Laws aren't based on morality, they're based on the common good. Read your Locke again Libertarian.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. It's not. Laws aren't based on morality, they're based on the common good. Read your Locke again Libertarian.
    Ah, yes! Don't you think Jim Crow served the public good just fabulously?

    My opinions of Locke regardless, you claimed that people shouldn't downloading the work of others strictly because it was illegal, not out of any appeal to utilitarianism. I think we can all agree that laws are absurd unless they have some sort of justification, which you failed to provide.
    Last edited by Black_Zawisza; 03-11-13 at 09:26 PM.
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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