View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The anti-pirate crowd and I aren't concerned about the same things. They will go off about theft and rights and money, whereas I just don't want the hassle.
    Ditto. I have a subscription to Hulu already, which means I can watch Supernatural perfectly legally. Or...I can download the episodes and not be forced to watch the commercials or deal with possibly spotty bandwidth.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Unless the music is not the final product.
    Not sure how that works when the product is cd's and concert tickets.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ditto. I have a subscription to Hulu already, which means I can watch Supernatural perfectly legally. Or...I can download the episodes and not be forced to watch the commercials or deal with possibly spotty bandwidth.
    Yeah...a subscription...that's 'hassle'. No thanks, I'll get a boot leg.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not sure how that works when the product is cd's and concert tickets.
    Who even has a CD player anymore?

    I don't see how concerts are harmed by pirating. Most of the people who buy concert tickets do so because they've heard the artists and want to see them live, not because that's the only way to hear that artist for the first time.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Nope do it all the time, dang things should expire after 5 years.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Who even has a CD player anymore?
    cd's, records, mp3's, 8-tracks, whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't see how concerts are harmed by pirating.
    They aren't. To come full circle to what I was talking about earlier, the recording company's main function (like the agent I mentioned earlier) is to build popularity. Their take is obscene, but their promotion campaigns are what put musicians into the mainstream in the first place. I'm not saying I have this great love affair for the recording companies, but to say that pirating only takes money away from the companies ignores the role those companies had in bringing the artists to lime light.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 03-11-13 at 12:39 PM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    Isn't that the whole point? Generally speaking, we obey and support laws because they criminalize immoral behavior. If a law makes it illegal to breathe, is that not an unjust law that should be ignored? Are you a fan of arbitrary limits on human freedom?
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    cd's, records, mp3's, 8-tracks, whatever.
    They aren't. To come full circle to what I was talking about earlier, the recording company's main function (like the agent I mentioned earlier) is to build popularity. Their take is obscene, but their promotion campaigns is what puts musicians into the mainstream in the first place. I'm not saying I have this great love affair for the recording companies, but to say that pirating only takes money away from the companies ignores the role those companies had in bringing the artists to lime light.
    I never said such a thing. I have no idea who pirating takes money away from and frankly I don't care. I have no information on that and I don't care to know, it's not a concern of mine.

    I offered a suggestion on how artists can better make money off their music, but it's no skin of my noes if they do it or not. I'll follow the path of least resistance regardless, so if the artist can find a way to become that path while separating me from my money, more power to them. Right now I can search any song an YouTube and just convert the sound track of that video to an open MP3 format. It's not the best possible quality but it's good enough for my ears. If the artist can come up with a library of open MP3s of their music and let me buy that through paypall, they just saved me the hassle of converting each song from YouTube one at a time, so they'll get my money.

    The choice is theirs.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    cd's, records, mp3's, 8-tracks, whatever.



    They aren't. To come full circle to what I was talking about earlier, the recording company's main function (like the agent I mentioned earlier) is to build popularity. Their take is obscene, but their promotion campaigns are what put musicians into the mainstream in the first place. I'm not saying I have this great love affair for the recording companies, but to say that pirating only takes money away from the companies ignores the role those companies had in bringing the artists to lime light.
    Popularity does not pay the rent. The performers and song writers depend on recorded media sales and royalties from mass media to pay for their life expenses, they tour simply to increase those sales. They make little or nothing "on the road" as travel expenses often exceed performance revenue. Absent that income we all suffer as fewer artists can make a decent living from their chosen trade.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh, I'm sure you can hunt those down. Never underestimate the nerd power of star wars fans.
    Yes. They aren't hard to find. You can buy old copies on ebay. His holiday special (2 hours of wookie talk) is easily searchable as well.

    However, George is doing everything in his power to remove them from the market place.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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