View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

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  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    My absolute favorite example of this is The Daily Show. You can go on their website, even in europe, and stream the show the very next day. However, it's garbage quality, and long load times. I jump on the pirated stream, and I get ultra HD quality, and no load times. Ridiculous.
    My favorite is the following... utterly stupid. World Cup in Football. In Spain you can as a Dane pay to watch Danish Radio TV via satellite.. costs an insane amount each year, but it is possible. Now during the World Cup they showed the games involving Denmark, but the signal to Spain was cut because DR TV did not have the rights in Spain... despite the signal being available in Spain on terrestrial TV (with Spanish commentators), and being available on British satellite TV (with English commentators) and being available on German satellite TV (with German commentators) all unencrypted and free... wtf?

    Another case many moons ago.. Stargate SG1, Star Trek The Next Generation and DS9 and later Voyager. In Denmark the TV bosses in their wisdom did not think this "children's" program would have enough viewers to justify them buying the rights, so Denmark never got these shows when they were at their prime or even after. And yes they categorized them as children s programs..and the 10 episodes of Next Gen they did show 3 years after the show ended... were shown at 5pm as a children's program... a hour before most fans and adults came home from work... /clap. Of course there was no one who watched it. Anyways...the pro-copywrite people say.. well buy the DVDs!.. sure if they were available in Denmark, which they were not.. only the US versions, which were imported at a high price.. and of course which could not legally be played in the Danish/European DVD players.. Only years after the shows went off the air did the DVDs arrive and the shows started poping up on TV.... What did fans do in the mean time? They pirated the shows of course..... it was that or wait a decade to get it on TV..

    No the present copywrite laws are bull**** and should be scrapped and new ones with the Internet and online streaming in mind should be put in place. What these morons at the big media companies dont seem to understand, is people want access to content the way they want and when they want.. and not when the media companies tell us or allow us.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    in my opinion, no. torrents only exist in the first place because the entertainment monopoly ****ed up and didn't respond to demand in time. people pay a ****load for cable, and they want to watch what they want when they want wherever they want. cable refuses to do that, instead making us buy channels we don't want or need. the result? torrents.

    I don't use them, though. I just choose to not watch most of the shows. anyone using torrents should know that the same cable monopoly that won't let you watch what you want is now also monitoring your internet use, looking for torrent downloads. if they catch you, you go into the six strike system, which ends up with you losing internet access or worse. the deck is stacked heavily in their favor. all these years later, and still suing the VCR.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Why should the patent property right ever expire?

    Here is why it is important, we now live in a world where low information voters have been convinced that they have a right to the personal property of others simply because they want that property and the government convinces them that the property was originally stolen from them anyway.

    Taking away personal property rights leads to the government achieving it's goal of taking away not only personal property rights, but also real property rights (Land). The goal of liberal governments is, when you die, to take away your ability to will your estate to your children. The government wants your entire estate, both real (Land) and personal property (Money and possessions), to go to the government for redistribution to others. You and your descendents would lose everything. Those others, the recipients of what you have worked for, would be the Liberal designated favorites such as new immigrants and other low information Liberal voters, who's votes would be purchased with your family's money.

    The result would be that, no matter how hard you worked, you would never acquire anything of lasting value for your children or descendents. When you died, the Liberals would steal everything you had and give it away to Liberal voters. Don't let that Liberal camel get it's head in the tent.

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    Here is why property rights are now immediately important. In the Nineties, Jessie Jackson wanted the government to take all of the pensions of white people and put them in a big pot for redistribution to blacks. Jackson stated that whites owed that money to blacks. More recently, Obama's academic/economic advisors have been urging Obama to steal all present 401k and pension plans and pay America's debts and redistribute that money to the low information voters. That is why property rights are an immediate issue.

    Always respect the property rights or others. The Obama government will steal yours also.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The future is things like Spotify.
    ...except for the problem of audio watermarking: Universal’s Audible Watermark | Matt Montag

    Maybe people think the audio quality problems are due to some kind of lossy compression, as I did, and ignore it completely, or blame the streaming service/distributor. The problem here is that the UMG watermark degrades the audio to about the equivalent of a 96 kbit MP3. My guess is that if consumers were informed about what is going on, they would care. Especially those who pay full retail price for digital downloads advertised as lossless audio.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    ...except for the problem of audio watermarking: Universal’s Audible Watermark | Matt Montag

    Maybe people think the audio quality problems are due to some kind of lossy compression, as I did, and ignore it completely, or blame the streaming service/distributor. The problem here is that the UMG watermark degrades the audio to about the equivalent of a 96 kbit MP3. My guess is that if consumers were informed about what is going on, they would care. Especially those who pay full retail price for digital downloads advertised as lossless audio.
    I don't care. The tv/movie streams I get aren't 1080p blu-ray quality either, but they're good enough. There should be different pay tiers for different quality levels. For those people like me who just like regular Spotify, the current model works. For a little extra cash you should be able to get HD quality audio. (They say with the subscription you do get that, but I don't know)
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.
    Meh, I do it out of convenience. Not going to put money into something unless I know I'm going to like it. I'll download something to see what it's like. If I like and it's available for sale at that time, I'll buy it. If not, then I'm not stuck with a 20 dollar pile of ****.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    More directly on topic:

    Copyright laws were invented for print media (books, etc.) when access to equipment to duplicate print media was quite pricey. It was extremely difficult for the average person to reproduce and then redistribute an entire book.

    Today, it's as simple as a few mouse clicks and a few minutes (or less) to copy and redistribute precise copies of whole movies and TV shows. I'm not sure that was the original intent of letting copyrights expire. It isn't like sampling where a small portion of a previously recorded work is incorporated into a new piece of art. This is simply duplication, wholesale.

    To the issue of downloading: there is no media I am so devoted to that I feel I have to download it illegally or else I feel I'm being cheated by anyone. I love the show [b]Breaking Bad[/i], but even at the most rabid peak of my infatuation, I never dreamed of downloading any episodes illegally.

    If you feel like you're entitled to any of the products of pop culture, there's something wrong with you. It's entertainment, nothing more.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    This thread immeadiately makes me think of George Lucas. His holiday special is garbage, but he won't release it. What most people know is that you cannot see the original star wars anymore.

    It is his right.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    This one used to be a clear answer before all the changes to the Copyright Law of 1976. When I started filing copyrights in 1993, there was a clearly defined period of time for works copyrighted before January 1, 1978. It's been 10 years since I really attempted to read through the law and that clear definition is gone. So my best guess is that old works have either a 76 or 95 year period in which they are still protected under the new law, without having to have a new copyright filed.

    In saying that, the way the law is written now, everything is protected for 70 years after the author's death.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    ...except for the problem of audio watermarking: Universal’s Audible Watermark | Matt Montag

    Maybe people think the audio quality problems are due to some kind of lossy compression, as I did, and ignore it completely, or blame the streaming service/distributor. The problem here is that the UMG watermark degrades the audio to about the equivalent of a 96 kbit MP3. My guess is that if consumers were informed about what is going on, they would care. Especially those who pay full retail price for digital downloads advertised as lossless audio.
    Yea but you dont own your digital download.... Apple owns all music bought on iTunes for example... you are just renting it. And the future was Spotify till the American media companies gutted the original version because it was the only way Spotify could get access to the US market.
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