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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

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  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Pretty uncomfortable with piracy, but there do some to be cases where it is fair. Like if a product was never licensed for sale overseas, or if the terms of service are uniquely abusive, or if the product is not readily accessible.
    Yeah, here's the problem with that.

    Most forms of legal online content ARE uniquely abusive.

    They're basically ticking bombs. They have DRM that can cause them spontaneously stop working for a variety of different reasons: the DRM provider goes defunct, the file type the DRM applies to goes defunct, the company just decides to pull some of its content, or your individual account, etc, etc, etc.

    In addition to that, it can stop you from making backups for yourself in case of data loss. It can stop you from using the content if you switch devices. It can do all kinds of things that prohibit people from reasonable personal use.

    So basically, they expect you to pay full-price for something you're really only loaning for an unknown period of time. That is insane. And that is why a lot of people pirate. They may not realize exactly what's happening, but they do know that they didn't get what they paid for, and they paid an insane amount for the pleasure.

    Mostly, this is purely for the benefit of the middlemen. They're taking home most of the cash at the end of the day. So what you're denying the artist is actually insultingly small. They're being conned as much as you are, and the middlemen keep them in that position by telling them if they go DRM-free, people will just stop buying anything at all.

    And that is a big lie.

    Some artists are starting to reject the fear rhetoric of their managers, and simply releasing their content without DRM on their own, or for free with the option to donate. Many find that their revenue increases dramatically.

    O'Reilly drops ebook DRM, sees 104% increase in sales - Boing Boing

    Louis CK: Over $1 Million In Sales In Just 12 Days For DRM-Free Download | Techdirt

    http://arstechnica.com/uncategorized...-selling-well/

    People WANT to support the artists they love. They really do. And if you give them a way to do that without getting completely ripped off, they will.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 03-11-13 at 06:15 AM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah, here's the problem with that.

    Most forms of legal online content ARE uniquely abusive.

    They're basically ticking bombs. They have DRM that can cause them spontaneously stop working for a variety of different reasons: the DRM provider goes defunct, the file type the DRM applies to goes defunct, the company just decides to pull some of its content, or your individual account, etc, etc, etc.

    In addition to that, it can stop you from making backups for yourself in case of data loss. It can stop you from using the content if you switch devices. It can do all kinds of things that prohibit people from reasonable personal use.

    So basically, they expect you to pay full-price for something you're really only loaning for an unknown period of time. That is insane. And that is why a lot of people pirate. They may not realize exactly what's happening, but they do know that they didn't get what they paid for, and they paid an insane amount for the pleasure.

    Mostly, this is purely for the benefit of the middlemen. They're taking home most of the cash at the end of the day. So what you're denying the artist is actually insultingly small. They're being conned as much as you are, and the middlemen keep them in that position by telling them if they go DRM-free, people will just stop buying anything at all.

    And that is a big lie.

    Some artists are starting to reject the fear rhetoric of their managers, and simply releasing their content without DRM on their own, or for free with the option to donate. Many find that their revenue increases dramatically.

    O'Reilly drops ebook DRM, sees 104% increase in sales - Boing Boing

    Louis CK: Over $1 Million In Sales In Just 12 Days For DRM-Free Download | Techdirt

    EMI says DRM-free music is selling well | Ars Technica
    This is a perfect example. I run into books ALL THE TIME, that I really need for work, yet they do not exist on this continent, and are not sold in e-book format. So what do I do? I hope on the piratebay, and find that same book in PDF file. How can the pirating world consistently have MORE content than the legal world?
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is a perfect example. I run into books ALL THE TIME, that I really need for work, yet they do not exist on this continent, and are not sold in e-book format. So what do I do? I hope on the piratebay, and find that same book in PDF file. How can the pirating world consistently have MORE content than the legal world?
    Yup, that's another problem: either censoring information by country, or making the format compatibility different for each country, requiring you to purchase it again if you ever move. Especially popular with DVD's, and increasingly so with e-books.

    Really, there's SO many problems with content restrictions. The stuff I listed is really just the beginning. It says something that virtually every person here has had problems either getting or using legal content.

    The answer is truly for artists to educate themselves and reject all of this fearmongering that is designed to rip off both them and their fans.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yup, that's another problem: either censoring information by country, or making the format compatibility different for each country, requiring you to purchase it again if you ever move. Especially popular with DVD's, and increasingly so with e-books.

    Really, there's SO many problems with content restrictions. The stuff I listed is really just the beginning. It says something that virtually every person here has had problems either getting or using legal content.

    The answer is truly for artists to educate themselves and reject all of this fearmongering that is designed to rip off both them and their fans.
    Precisely. When I'm looking for something I generally try to find it legal first, but most of the time I run into the country restrictions or lack of content, or other major issues and just turn to piracy instead.

    The future is things like Spotify. I used to pirate a LOT of music. Now, I think I might have downloaded 1 album in the past year since I've had it. (wasn't on spotify) It doesn't cost a cent and I get all the music I want. If I want to pay more for no commercials or higher quality content, I can. I listen to music 24/7.

    This is the type of service that needs to be developed for books and movies. The cable companies need to be cut out of the mix altogether. On demand streaming via a subscription is the future.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Precisely. When I'm looking for something I generally try to find it legal first, but most of the time I run into the country restrictions or lack of content, or other major issues and just turn to piracy instead.

    The future is things like Spotify. I used to pirate a LOT of music. Now, I think I might have downloaded 1 album in the past year since I've had it. (wasn't on spotify) It doesn't cost a cent and I get all the music I want. If I want to pay more for no commercials or higher quality content, I can. I listen to music 24/7.

    This is the type of service that needs to be developed for books and movies. The cable companies need to be cut out of the mix altogether. On demand streaming via a subscription is the future.
    I think it really depends on the media type. And artists need to find a model that works for them too. C.K., O'Reilly, Doctorow, Palmer, and many others are paving the way. Of course, there is probably a way to combine those two things to make it profitable for both the service and the artists.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I think it really depends on the media type. And artists need to find a model that works for them too. C.K., O'Reilly, Doctorow, Palmer, and many others are paving the way. Of course, there is probably a way to combine those two things to make it profitable for both the service and the artists.
    For complete and total on demand ability to every show, and every movie out there, I would pay up to 50 bucks a month. So essentially, as much as I would for a full cable service.

    I think most people would share that sentiment. There's plenty of money to be made, it just needs to be in a different business mdoel.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    This is a perfect example. I run into books ALL THE TIME, that I really need for work, yet they do not exist on this continent, and are not sold in e-book format. So what do I do? I hope on the piratebay, and find that same book in PDF file. How can the pirating world consistently have MORE content than the legal world?
    Because the "legal world" is 30 years behind the technological curve. The reason that there is piracy is not because people want to steal, but because lack of access to the content at reasonable prices. It is simple, provide access at reasonable prices and piracy will fall dramatically. Spotify proves this in Europe... at least till they were forced to change their business model by the "legal world".... morons.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Because the "legal world" is 30 years behind the technological curve. The reason that there is piracy is not because people want to steal, but because lack of access to the content at reasonable prices. It is simple, provide access at reasonable prices and piracy will fall dramatically. Spotify proves this in Europe... at least till they were forced to change their business model by the "legal world".... morons.
    My absolute favorite example of this is The Daily Show. You can go on their website, even in europe, and stream the show the very next day. However, it's garbage quality, and long load times. I jump on the pirated stream, and I get ultra HD quality, and no load times. Ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

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    I'm normally right on board with you, buuuut...

    I tried to watch Game of Thrones and this is what happened - The Oatmeal

    ...which describes my own experience with uncanny spookiness.

    Also (this describes me too)...

    Take My Money, HBO!
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    It's illegal, I wouldn't call it immoral.

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