View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Copying something no matter the success of the copy is not stealing.
    That doesn't address anything I said.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That doesn't address anything I said.
    Yes, it does. Even if the copy made is exactly the same as the original the fact still remains it's a copy and therefore not stealing.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Stealing is stealing regardless of who you're stealing from, but if you're priority is making sure the money goes to the artist, then Liam is certainly on the mark. Increased popularity will fill the concert seats more, and that's where they'll really make their money.

    As an artist myself, however, I am represented by an agent who has been instrumental in building some of my popularity and connecting me to a good number of clients. I have resented attempts by people to crassly work around my relationship with my agent, as if my agent were a parasite instead of a legitimate business partner. Obviously it's not always like that since there are tons of stories of record companies and artists loathing each other. My only point is that that sort of relationship shouldn't be assumed.
    I think they're going about it all wrong. They shouldn't be trying to sell their music, they should use their music like a TV show, where's it what attracts the audience who the artist then enforces products to.

    I don't have a passionate position on this topic one way or other.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Wasn't that the unintended result of government action on Hulu a while back?
    Btw, the old Hulu was so much better than what the gov caused in their wake.
    Last edited by Henrin; 03-11-13 at 03:02 AM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think they're going about it all wrong. They shouldn't be trying to sell their music, they should use their music like a TV show, where's it what attracts the audience who the artist then enforces products to.

    I don't have a passionate position on this topic one way or other.
    The CD sales are more for the record company than the artist.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The CD sales are more for the record company than the artist.
    See I'm just not worried about any of that. That's between the artist and the label.

    If I want a song, I'll get it, and the main reason I find free music is because I just don't want the hassle of using cloud services or the iWorld. I just want the song, quick and easy, no bull****, no accounts, no EULAs, no TOSs, no registration or authorized devices or other bull****. Just the song and I walk away until I want another one.

    If there was an artist I wanted music from and they had a site where I could drop a credit card and get any of their songs in an open MP3 format for like 20cents each, I'd pay them even if I could get it for free elsewhere if it's less hassle.

    It's easier to get pirated music then it is to buy legitimately, and ease of access is the only reason I get pirated music.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?
    If you can't buy it in the shop, then it's not wrong. If something is not available on the market, how is one supposed to purchase it even if one is willing to?

    Now, another thing is the copyright period. I personally think it's waaay too long.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    I guess my issue with piracy has always been -- was it all "ooh piracy sucks and I'm butthurt" when I videotaped a TV show on my VCR? How is it any different to videotape Game of Thrones while you are working, and watch it the next day, and download it from a website and watch it the next day?

    Same as recording songs off the radio, onto cassettes. Y'all do remember that technology, don't you? Is that music piracy, to record a song off the radio onto a blank tape?

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    If you can't buy it in the shop, then it's not wrong. If something is not available on the market, how is one supposed to purchase it even if one is willing to?

    Now, another thing is the copyright period. I personally think it's waaay too long.
    I was thinking about potential ways we could restructure intellectual copyright laws and wondering what effect they would have.

    What purpose do copyright laws serve? I guess to let people think new stuff up, sell their idea and make enough money to keep making new stuff. If people can't make money thinking up stuff, they'll have to do something else and we won't have any new stuff.

    If that's the point of copyright laws, then should we allow them to extend past the point where the creator makes money? If patents expired once you made a $X profit on the idea, wouldn't creators be forced to make new content?

    What would the world look like if the exclusive right to Star Wars, Windows 7 and Zoloft expired after either ten years or making $100m in profit?

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.
    I don't think it's immoral at all. In fact, I watch most of my TV streaming online illegally. The reason for this is simple: there is no good service to stream everything I want. For instance, if I wanted to legally watch Game of Thrones, I couldn't, because I'd have to have cable, and HBO, just for that one show. The TV and movie industry is also going out of their way to block the rights to streaming services. That's why you can't stream new movies on Netflix.

    Second, the few services that MIGHT be acceptable, have blocks for foreign customers. (I live in Germany) I can't even watch Hulu like a normal American. So what option do I have?

    When they offer the service the world actually wants, a subscription based stream service for all, or near all tv shows, I'll gladly spend my money. I will not spend $50 a month for a 1000 channels so that I can watch 5 or 6 shows.
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