View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    About every two months, like clockwork, someone will ask: "How can I post photos for people to view (and hopefully purchase) and keep people from downloading them?"

    The standard answer is: "You can't."

    About the only thing you can do is make the resolution good enough to be viewable on a monitor, but so bad that you can't upsize it or print it and get any kind of decent result.
    Funny thing is this was possible on the older Mac OSes. They kept files in two parts, a header and the data part. So folks could write the header so the image was only able to display a certain number of times.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you guys are aware that many cult films and shows were a complete bust when they originally aired, and only developed a market years, and sometimes decades, later
    Yup, happens when you invent something ahead of it's time or fail in it's initial development/marketing. The public domain is so important the framers had debates whether copyright should be allowed at all.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They don't broadcast the decryption algorithm and they didn't put the decryption on your property. Subscribers rent the decryption.

    I'd guess that water and electric lines run through your property, you still have to pay for access to those services.
    I don't need their decryption algorithm, I could've made my own (for example).

    If I didn't want water or electricity, I could tell the companies, and they would shut it off. I can't do that with satellite signals. Also, water and electricity is an expended resource that costs those companies money if I use their product. Satellite providers don't lose anything by me pirating their signal. Their resource is expended regardless of what I do.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Funny thing is this was possible on the older Mac OSes. They kept files in two parts, a header and the data part. So folks could write the header so the image was only able to display a certain number of times.
    Yeah, that's great until you simply do a screen capture and save it as a new file.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I don't need their decryption algorithm, I could've made my own (for example).
    Practically speaking, to end up with something that works (a completed chip), assuming you developed a new algorithm that didn't rip off theirs, would take so much time and resources for an individual that you are getting a huge bargain by just paying them for the service.

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If I didn't want water or electricity, I could tell the companies, and they would shut it off. I can't do that with satellite signals. Also, water and electricity is an expended resource that costs those companies money if I use their product. Satellite providers don't lose anything by me pirating their signal. Their resource is expended regardless of what I do.
    No, those water and electric lines would still cross your property, even if you didn't pay to partake. Same with sewer lines (unless you are strictly on your own septic system, and that's rarer by the day). And the resources for manufacturing, installing and maintaining those lines is expended whether you join the service or not. In fact, good chance you paid for all that infrastructure if you're a taxpayer, regardless of your lack of use.
    Last edited by clownboy; 03-12-13 at 05:05 PM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yeah, that's great until you simply do a screen capture and save it as a new file.
    Wasn't a problem then of course. Resolution and pixel count were weak points. Like taking a polaroid of an art piece.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you guys are aware that many cult films and shows were a complete bust when they originally aired, and only developed a market years, and sometimes decades, later
    Then maybe they should just make better movies.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then maybe they should just make better movies.

    well the argument was that shortening the length of copyright laws wouldn't hurt content producers. Well, if we look at cult material, it surely would.

    That isn't dependent on you liking the material, or not

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    well the argument was that shortening the length of copyright laws wouldn't hurt content producers. Well, if we look at cult material, it surely would.

    That isn't dependent on you liking the material, or not
    It doesn't matter, once it's out there, it's out there. Whether it makes any money for the content producers means nothing. If there was a sudden renewal of interest for a film that's in the public domain, so be it. People can enjoy it without paying anyone a dime.
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