View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Quite a distinct difference between photography and TV show/movies. I doubt any of those photographers have a problem with folks viewing their work and keeping a copy, because if the photos are online that happens automatically. It's when folks try to use that content without paying for it. Such use generally involves display to others.

    However, with TV/movies you can trigger the fines and the RIAA's ire by just downloading and being in possession.
    I had to chuckle at this. You should read some of the threads in photo forums. They don't get upset at people viewing their photos, that is why they posted them to begin with after all, but they do indeed get hot when people download their photos without paying for them. "Some guy downloaded my photo without paying for it and I found it on Facebook! GAHHH!!! "

    They also don't like people downloading them to begin with, and know it happens, but without additional public posting they pretty much never know.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But that's really the thing. If someone pays for a song on a jukebox, everyone in the place gets to hear it for free. While the wretched RIAA would probably want every single person to pay an independent fee, screw the f'ing RIAA.
    Not really. Somebody is paying for it. In this case, the jukebox owner is paying a royalty. Possibly even the business owner the jukebox is located. Just as you can legally buy a CD and play it in your car while giving a couple friends a ride.

    ASCAP and BMI have teams of people roving the country looking for businesses that play music to bust. You cannot... legally... play the radio (where customers can hear it) legally without paying royalty fees. The fact that the radio station already paid their fees, or that it was available "free" on the radio, will get you exactly zero sympathy in court.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I believe intellectual rights have gotten out of hand. Yes, shows over 40 years old should be in the public domain.
    Honestly, shows over 14 years ought to be public domain, if even that long. The whole point of copyright is to give the creator a chance to make money off of their creation, not to make them stop creating anything new ever again because they're raking in cash from things they did long ago.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    having to physically copy a tape and distribute it is clearly more restrictive than loading something up on the internet, where millions of people can access it within hours. I'm honestly amazed that anyone would take a contrary position to that, being that it seems so fundamentally obvious

    PS not to mention your vhs and audio tape copies sounded like **** after the transfer. A digital copy can be endlessly traded with no degradation
    It may be easier. But it is no less or more prevalent than the black market for cassettes was. The only real difference between the two is that those that bootlegged cassettes actually made a profit off of it.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I had to chuckle at this. You should read some of the threads in photo forums. They don't get upset at people viewing their photos, that is why they posted them to begin with after all, but they do indeed get hot when people download their photos without paying for them. "Some guy downloaded my photo without paying for it and I found it on Facebook! GAHHH!!! "
    I hope someone has explained to them about the browser cache which automatically downloads and saves web page content.

    But, they do have a point about use. Someone has taken their works, without compensation, and is using it for public display. That's quite different from that same someone using the pic for their personal desktop image.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Honestly, shows over 14 years ought to be public domain, if even that long. The whole point of copyright is to give the creator a chance to make money off of their creation, not to make them stop creating anything new ever again because they're raking in cash from things they did long ago.
    Precisely. And Thomas Jefferson (an actuary) calculated that 14 years was adequate time to develop, get to market and exclusively profit back when the Constitution was written. Since then in our development as a nation it's become faster and easier to develop and get stuff to market, so if anything the time for copyright should be less.

    Congress and the SCOTUS, working in tandem, have made it many, many times more instead. Btw, the original bad boy and main culprit here is - Mickey Mouse!

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I hope someone has explained to them about the browser cache which automatically downloads and saves web page content.

    But, they do have a point about use. Someone has taken their works, without compensation, and is using it for public display. That's quite different from that same someone using the pic for their personal desktop image.
    About every two months, like clockwork, someone will ask: "How can I post photos for people to view (and hopefully purchase) and keep people from downloading them?"

    The standard answer is: "You can't."

    About the only thing you can do is make the resolution good enough to be viewable on a monitor, but so bad that you can't upsize it or print it and get any kind of decent result.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely. And Thomas Jefferson (an actuary) calculated that 14 years was adequate time to develop, get to market and exclusively profit back when the Constitution was written. Since then in our development as a nation it's become faster and easier to develop and get stuff to market, so if anything the time for copyright should be less.

    Congress and the SCOTUS, working in tandem, have made it many, many times more instead. Btw, the original bad boy and main culprit here is - Mickey Mouse!
    South Park's portrayal of Mickey Mouse is not far off.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But it is no less or more prevalent than the black market for cassettes was.
    I'm just going to laugh at this

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    HBO was actually pretty smart keeping their content close to the vest. All the other channels did licensing their material to netflix accomplished was make someone else a huge player in the market. That's why netflix lost most of their content a year or two ago. Those early contracts were finally meeting their death and no content provider wanted to renew them at the original price
    Somewhat. I would say in limited cases, I thought the business model was damned stupid. If you consider the worst population with piracy being college and university students, then you would want to be able to pump that subscription option to the students. The only problem was that many universities do not have HBO options for students, and as HBO cannot get cable access to the students, they also have refused to add a separate subscription model like Netflix (controlled by themselves). Now, the only two options were as follows: buy the DVDs--->which used to be 80+ dollars per season, or download illegally. Guess what folks did more of?

    Currently, I am hooked into my parents' cable package, using their cable account in order to get access to HBO Go, which is otherwise a fantastic service.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Precisely. And Thomas Jefferson (an actuary) calculated that 14 years was adequate time to develop, get to market and exclusively profit back when the Constitution was written. Since then in our development as a nation it's become faster and easier to develop and get stuff to market, so if anything the time for copyright should be less.

    Congress and the SCOTUS, working in tandem, have made it many, many times more instead. Btw, the original bad boy and main culprit here is - Mickey Mouse!
    you guys are aware that many cult films and shows were a complete bust when they originally aired, and only developed a market years, and sometimes decades, later

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