View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

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  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    Pretty uncomfortable with piracy, but there do some to be cases where it is fair. Like if a product was never licensed for sale overseas, or if the terms of service are uniquely abusive, or if the product is not readily accessible.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 03-11-13 at 02:36 AM.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Heh, that is me as well. Add to the mix that I am always stationed overseas, where things like Hulu aren’t authorized and even if they were the internet speed would make it impractical for streaming. I don’t deal with DVDs anymore. For one, Amazon often won’t mail DVDs to where I am. And you can’t find legal copies locally. Go to Cambodia and try to find a legal version of ANY DVD. You won’t succeed.

    And on top of that is the whole Region specific DVD issue which is a pain for me since I bounce around from continent to continent. I stick solely with digital media when it comes to my TV shows and movies. When there is something I want to watch I ALWAYS go to itunes first to see if I can purchase it. Even if it is expensive I will pay for it.

    But if there is not a way for me to download it and pay for it, then I will download it and not pay for it. I refuse to not watch a show just because the producers refuse to allow me to purchase it the correct way.
    A vpn will deal with the overseas problem, though as far as download speeds go you're on your own.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Copying content in whatever fashion and giving that to someone else is not stealing.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    Heh, that is me as well. Add to the mix that I am always stationed overseas, where things like Hulu arenít authorized and even if they were the internet speed would make it impractical for streaming. I donít deal with DVDs anymore. For one, Amazon often wonít mail DVDs to where I am. And you canít find legal copies locally. Go to Cambodia and try to find a legal version of ANY DVD. You wonít succeed.

    And on top of that is the whole Region specific DVD issue which is a pain for me since I bounce around from continent to continent. I stick solely with digital media when it comes to my TV shows and movies. When there is something I want to watch I ALWAYS go to itunes first to see if I can purchase it. Even if it is expensive I will pay for it.

    But if there is not a way for me to download it and pay for it, then I will download it and not pay for it. I refuse to not watch a show just because the producers refuse to allow me to purchase it the correct way.
    Region specific isn't the issue that it once was now that we have computers. For example if you had to buy a DVD from Europe (which uses PAL) and went to play it on an NTSC DVD player (US, Canada, Japan, and I think Mexico), it wouldn't play. However, you could still play it on a laptop computer and run an HDMI cable to your TV and it should work.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    A vpn will deal with the overseas problem, though as far as download speeds go you're on your own.
    True and I often use a VPN for accessing media blocked in my assigned country. The problem is the streaming speed on sites like Hulu that don't allow you to buffer more than a couple minutes of the show.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm asking when copyrights should expire. When do you think they should? Or do you think they should never expire? Do you think the works of Edgar Allan Poe should still be copyrighted even though he's been dead since 1849?
    Why should the patent property right ever expire?

    Here is why it is important, we now live in a world where low information voters have been convinced that they have a right to the personal property of others simply because they want that property and the government convinces them that the property was originally stolen from them anyway.

    Taking away personal property rights leads to the government achieving it's goal of taking away not only personal property rights, but also real property rights (Land). The goal of liberal governments is, when you die, to take away your ability to will your estate to your children. The government wants your entire estate, both real (Land) and personal property (Money and possessions), to go to the government for redistribution to others. You and your descendents would lose everything. Those others, the recipients of what you have worked for, would be the Liberal designated favorites such as new immigrants and other low information Liberal voters, who's votes would be purchased with your family's money.

    The result would be that, no matter how hard you worked, you would never acquire anything of lasting value for your children or descendents. When you died, the Liberals would steal everything you had and give it away to Liberal voters. Don't let that Liberal camel get it's head in the tent.

    You are thinking: I just wanted to record a damn CD!

    Here is why property rights are now immediately important. In the Nineties, Jessie Jackson wanted the government to take all of the pensions of white people and put them in a big pot for redistribution to blacks. Jackson stated that whites owed that money to blacks. More recently, Obama's academic/economic advisors have been urging Obama to steal all present 401k and pension plans and pay America's debts and redistribute that money to the low information voters. That is why property rights are an immediate issue.

    Always respect the property rights or others. The Obama government will steal yours also.
    Last edited by Ray410; 03-11-13 at 02:52 AM.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Copying content in whatever fashion and giving that to someone else is not stealing.
    Not true. If I were to, say, copy the Mona Lisa, the resulting work would be different on pretty much every level: done in a different time, by different hands, different pigments, different materials, brushwork doesn't have the same finesse, etc. Digital technology changes that. A digital copy of a file is literally no different in quality than the original, so copying it doesn't result in a unique and different work, but the same exact work.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not true. If I were to, say, copy the Mona Lisa, the resulting work would be different on pretty much every level: done in a different time, by different hands, different pigments, different materials, brushwork doesn't have the same finesse, etc. Digital technology changes that. A digital copy of a file is literally no different in quality than the original, so copying it doesn't result in a unique and different work, but the same exact work.
    Copying something no matter the success of the copy is not stealing.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcogito View Post
    True and I often use a VPN for accessing media blocked in my assigned country. The problem is the streaming speed on sites like Hulu that don't allow you to buffer more than a couple minutes of the show.
    Wasn't that the unintended result of government action on Hulu a while back?

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Stealing is stealing regardless of who you're stealing from, but if you're priority is making sure the money goes to the artist, then Liam is certainly on the mark. Increased popularity will fill the concert seats more, and that's where they'll really make their money.

    As an artist myself, however, I am represented by an agent who has been instrumental in building some of my popularity and connecting me to a good number of clients. I have resented attempts by people to crassly work around my relationship with my agent, as if my agent were a parasite instead of a legitimate business partner. Obviously it's not always like that since there are tons of stories of record companies and artists loathing each other. My only point is that that sort of relationship shouldn't be assumed.

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