View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But that's really the thing. If someone pays for a song on a jukebox, everyone in the place gets to hear it for free. While the wretched RIAA would probably want every single person to pay an independent fee, screw the f'ing RIAA.
    Yet with internet juke boxes only one copy is bought and it is generating revenue for many thousands of plays only for the juke box company (like AMI) that bought one copy. It just seems like their should be some financial benefit (percentage?) paid to the artist involved, especially in those offered in fee for play situations.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    if your using a torrent, then you are not simply downloading for personal use. You are actively distributing it
    He is NOT distributing it. How do you get that? If he burned Game of Thrones onto a DVD and sold it at a flea market for $10 a disk, he's distributing it. If he watches Game of Thrones on HBO and misses an episode, and he gets it off bit torrent or wherever, and watches the episode that he missed - how is he distributing it? Distributing means taking something and selling it for profit. How is that what he's doing?

    Edited to add: I guess, technically you could consider what he's doing as distributing, if he regularly goes online and allows his HD to be leeched by others. I just don't see it as the same - I don't see it as wrong, as say, mass producing copies and selling them at a flea market. If he's just going online to see the episodes he's missed, there's nothing wrong with it.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    again, that isn't making that copy available to millions of people instantaneously
    Plus, that was a legal use. Of course, it was fought by the industry, along with the used marketplace, but it was a legal activity.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet with internet juke boxes only one copy is bought and it is generating revenue for many thousands of plays only for the juke box company (like AMI) that bought one copy. It just seems like their should be some financial benefit (percentage?) paid to the artist involved, especially in those offered in fee for play situations.
    A lot of those do pay out every time the song is played, it's the old ones that run on CDs or vinyl that don't.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    He is NOT distributing it. How do you get that? If he burned Game of Thrones onto a DVD and sold it at a flea market for $10 a disk, he's distributing it. If he watches Game of Thrones on HBO and misses an episode, and he gets it off bit torrent or wherever, and watches the episode that he missed - how is he distributing it? Distributing means taking something and selling it for profit. How is that what he's doing?
    No, it does upload parts of the file to others, that's how BitTorrent works. Of course, there's no way of knowing if you've ever shared the entire file and the file itself is worthless if you don't have all of it, so whether or not you're distributing anything is questionable. Then again, I don't give a damn.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    He is NOT distributing it. How do you get that? If he burned Game of Thrones onto a DVD and sold it at a flea market for $10 a disk, he's distributing it. If he watches Game of Thrones on HBO and misses an episode, and he gets it off bit torrent or wherever, and watches the episode that he missed - how is he distributing it? Distributing means taking something and selling it for profit. How is that what he's doing?
    Bittorrent operates on the belief that you must share the burden in uploading the files in order to have the service work. The files that you download thus force you to contribute in the distribution. This was why the music and film industry could nail individual downloaders with piracy on Bittorrent. In many other peer-to-peer programs of the past, you simply downloaded files from users who had actively uploaded the content. Those downloading the files were fine, those uploading were targeted by the industry for lawsuits. Some software of those P2P clients included the clause that you must upload your download folder at least 1 kb per second.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    He is NOT distributing it. How do you get that?
    A torrent actively distributes the material as you download. That's why it was such a huge step over the p2p system, legally and functionally. Also, distribution has nothing to do with acquiring a profit




    If he burned Game of Thrones onto a DVD and sold it at a flea market for $10 a disk, he's distributing it. If he watches Game of Thrones on HBO and misses an episode, and he gets it off bit torrent or wherever, and watches the episode that he missed - how is he distributing it? Distributing means taking something and selling it for profit. How is that what he's doing?[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I really don't care. I download 100% of my TV viewing so I can watch it on my schedule. It's no different than saving it to a DVR.
    Same here, I want to watch American TV but I'm in Germany, so I stream 100% of my tv via 'illegal' on demand sites. The funny thing though is, as far as I can tell, streaming from a website is not technically illegal for the user, just the company. Apparently a court ruled that you as the user are not required to verify that the streaming site has the rights to stream it.

    Downloading it via torrents is far less ambiguous (but I do that too)
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it does upload parts of the file to others, that's how BitTorrent works. Of course, there's no way of knowing if you've ever shared the entire file and the file itself is worthless if you don't have all of it, so whether or not you're distributing anything is questionable. Then again, I don't give a damn.
    I've been downloading material since ftps. So i'm not getting on some moral high horse here, just pointing out some basic facts. Also, I don't think there is a distinction in place for only partially sharing material, at least legally

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, it does upload parts of the file to others, that's how BitTorrent works. Of course, there's no way of knowing if you've ever shared the entire file and the file itself is worthless if you don't have all of it, so whether or not you're distributing anything is questionable. Then again, I don't give a damn.
    Yeah, Cephus, Fiddytree and Chuckles - I thought about that after I posted. I had to remember how p2p sites work. I've never used a torrent site, but I'd think they work on the same principle as p2p. That's why I added and edited after I realized what I was saying. Der.
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