View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Not only is the rationalizing in this thread incredible, but so is the misinformation. For all the effort many of you go to on almost every other subject to make sure accuracy and honesty is portrayed down to a gnat's arse, the willful disconnect here is mind-boggling. Just because you can download a song or video does not automatically mean it is approved legally to do so. In some cases it is, in some cases it is not.
    Downloading free music should not be illegal. The law is on the wrong side on this issue.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    You would think that really old TV shows (40 years or more) would have expired copyrights, but that's often not the case. Do you believe it's wrong to download such shows from unauthorized sources such as torrents?

    Just to be clear, the question is about shows 40 years old or more which do not have expired copyrights.
    Yes, it is wrong. There are laws about how the copyright system works. If you don't like that, change them. I'll give you an example from the literary world....

    The copyright on Bram Stoker's Dracula has been gone for quite a while, and that has been a concern to members of the Stoker family as it has made their claims to infringement on the characters very tough to support in recent years. Therefore, a couple years back Dacre Stoker, the great-grand nephew of Bram penned a sequel to the original novel, using the same characters in order to re-establish the family claim to the copyright. They didn't whine about it, they found an answer to the problem.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    My general rule of thumb is if its been publicly broadcasted then I dont see the harm in watching it. I'm probably wrong though. :S But technically it was given out for free via airwaves and im not using it to make any money.
    actually it wasn't given away for free. It was broadcast with the intent of using it as a means to push various products. That is, unless you are talking about something from PBS.

    So basically you're entering into an agreement to watch commercials, in exchange for access to the program.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I think that's the pov I begin from....I taped songs while they were on the radio, I taped shows while they were airing on the TV....this was endorsed by the industry by selling me the tapes and recorders to do it, offering regular customers deals on these items, even.
    As far as I'm concerned, if they're broadcasting it on the radio or TV, they're sending it out for free, they have no right to complain if I go and get the stuff they're giving away for free from an online source.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Copyright should be 14 years, no more, and then into the Public Domain.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Who cares if it's immoral? It's illegal. Quit trying to justify stealing **** and buy the DVD.
    You won't get too much argument from me. Currently, my Blu-ray collections is close to 500 films and TV series, and I have probably some 200 DVDs.

    I have discovered that a number of programs I would like to buy, actually no longer exist in any viewable format. These are mostly PBS or BBC programs from decades past, some of them documentaries.

    I will say that some of this is on the distributor. Remember Tron? Before the sequel came out, I had tried to watch the film. No rental stores in my area had it. No online shops carried the digital copies. No DVDs were readily available. No VHS tapes were readily available. If I wanted to watch the film legally, I would have had to pay at least 90 dollars for the DVD, or 100+ for the VHS (all in the used marketplace, of course). I didn't pirate it, but I was dismayed at how Disney was promoting an upcoming Tron sequel, but there was no mechanism to legally purchase the predecessor without going through an incredibly pricey used marketplace.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, if they're broadcasting it on the radio or TV, they're sending it out for free, they have no right to complain if I go and get the stuff they're giving away for free from an online source.
    As a matter of how things *should be*, I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately, what we want and what is aren't necessarily the same thing.

    A similar example would be trying to sell a might time photo of the Eiffel Tower... Eiffel Tower: Repossessed | Fast Company
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    actually it wasn't given away for free. It was broadcast with the intent of using it as a means to push various products. That is, unless you are talking about something from PBS.

    So basically you're entering into an agreement to watch commercials, in exchange for access to the program.
    Says who? I didn't sign any contract like that. I turned on the TV and there was the show. There is no implied contract and I am free to change channels or leave the room when the commercials come on and there's not a damn thing they can do to stop me. In fact, if I have a DVR, I can fast forward through the commercials and skip them entirely. The advertiser contracts with the TV network to show commercials to *POTENTIAL* viewers. There's no guarantee there will actually be any viewers.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    As a matter of how things *should be*, I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately, what we want and what is aren't necessarily the same thing.
    I really don't care. I download 100% of my TV viewing so I can watch it on my schedule. It's no different than saving it to a DVR.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Think about it people, every time you visit ANY website, you are downloading copyrighted content.

    You are all copyright INFRINGERS!


    To me, if i want to download something, i will. I have no problems doing so.
    Hell, i have discovered so many new music artists.

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