View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It's because of idiots like Garth Brooks that black market music is so prevalent.
    Metallica was another group who came to the digital download late. When they did I went online to download a handful of songs. I was going to purchase them through Musicmatch for 99c each. Metallica put a restriction that you had to buy the entire album. No, I did not purchase any. You were not allowed to purchase individual songs. Something about their artistic qualities being lost when listened to individually. Spare me the artsy crap.

    Metallica, IMO, did more to actually encourage illegal downloading than anybody else.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    It's not wrong at all. In fact, it's not wrong to download the TV show that was broadcast last night.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm asking when copyrights should expire. When do you think they should? Or do you think they should never expire? Do you think the works of Edgar Allan Poe should still be copyrighted even though he's been dead since 1849?
    If Disney and similar groups have their way, copyright will never expire.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's not wrong at all. In fact, it's not wrong to download the TV show that was broadcast last night.
    I think that's the pov I begin from....I taped songs while they were on the radio, I taped shows while they were airing on the TV....this was endorsed by the industry by selling me the tapes and recorders to do it, offering regular customers deals on these items, even.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    When you watch any video from any site you are downloading that file. The only problem with downloading files is selling them for a profit when you do not own the rights to do so.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah, here's the problem with that.

    Most forms of legal online content ARE uniquely abusive.

    They're basically ticking bombs. They have DRM that can cause them spontaneously stop working for a variety of different reasons: the DRM provider goes defunct, the file type the DRM applies to goes defunct, the company just decides to pull some of its content, or your individual account, etc, etc, etc.

    In addition to that, it can stop you from making backups for yourself in case of data loss. It can stop you from using the content if you switch devices. It can do all kinds of things that prohibit people from reasonable personal use.

    So basically, they expect you to pay full-price for something you're really only loaning for an unknown period of time. That is insane. And that is why a lot of people pirate. They may not realize exactly what's happening, but they do know that they didn't get what they paid for, and they paid an insane amount for the pleasure.

    Mostly, this is purely for the benefit of the middlemen. They're taking home most of the cash at the end of the day. So what you're denying the artist is actually insultingly small. They're being conned as much as you are, and the middlemen keep them in that position by telling them if they go DRM-free, people will just stop buying anything at all.

    And that is a big lie.

    Some artists are starting to reject the fear rhetoric of their managers, and simply releasing their content without DRM on their own, or for free with the option to donate. Many find that their revenue increases dramatically.

    O'Reilly drops ebook DRM, sees 104% increase in sales - Boing Boing

    Louis CK: Over $1 Million In Sales In Just 12 Days For DRM-Free Download | Techdirt

    EMI says DRM-free music is selling well | Ars Technica

    People WANT to support the artists they love. They really do. And if you give them a way to do that without getting completely ripped off, they will.
    Indeed. I once purchased a digital copy of Mass Effect 2 only to discover that it hadn't carried over in a sale of assets to another company. They later acquired it independently, but that was years later.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The original pirate: How to pirate a vinyl record
    I was just about to post this. Awesome idea.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Not only is the rationalizing in this thread incredible, but so is the misinformation. For all the effort many of you go to on almost every other subject to make sure accuracy and honesty is portrayed down to a gnat's arse, the willful disconnect here is mind-boggling. Just because you can download a song or video does not automatically mean it is approved legally to do so. In some cases it is, in some cases it is not.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    My general rule of thumb is if its been publicly broadcasted then I dont see the harm in watching it. I'm probably wrong though. :S But technically it was given out for free via airwaves and im not using it to make any money.

    Like if I watch startrek episodes online by searching for "free startrek episodes" I assume the sight makes money by advertising and in return I get to watch for free. If the site is doing something wrong and not paying up then they need to be shut down.
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