View Poll Results: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years old?

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  • No, it's not wrong. We should change the law so material that old is public domain.

    28 66.67%
  • It's technically wrong, but not really a big deal.

    8 19.05%
  • Yes, it's wrong. The copyright owner has the right to control it, even if he's an heir.

    5 11.90%
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Ah, yes! Don't you think Jim Crow served the public good just fabulously?
    This comparison is so ridiculously stupid I'm almost shocked a Libertarian would argue it. Restricting 15% of the population from enjoying the same rights and privilegies as the other 85% is in no way comparable to arguing you should be allowed to steal intellectual property because you can't afford it, it's old or whatever other nonsense intellectual property thieves argue. It's simple. Can't afford it? Don't steal it. Thanks.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This comparison is so ridiculously stupid I'm almost shocked a Libertarian would argue it. Restricting 15% of the population from enjoying the same rights and privilegies as the other 85% is in no way comparable to arguing you should be allowed to steal intellectual property because you can't afford it, it's old or whatever other nonsense intellectual property thieves argue. It's simple. Can't afford it? Don't steal it. Thanks.
    Why would you be surprised by a stupid argument coming from a libertarian, given your unusually condescending attitude towards their ilk?

    I'm not sure what you're getting worked about. A majority of the Southern population seemed to feel that Jim Crow served their interests, unless some form of anti-democratic political corruption I'm unaware of caused such things to be.

    You haven't outlined why you feel that, for example, illegal song downloading shouldn't be practiced. It would seem to me that the definition of stealing necessarily entails infringing on the owner's ability to use property. Jacking someone's car certainly qualifies, but does a synthesized audio clip? What's your take?

    You refer to the "age" justification for illegal intellectual property usage rather derisively. Do you feel that such property rights should be protected indefinitely?
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    All this talk about "dominion over a third person" is libertarianistic goobledy-gook. "dominion over a third person" means that the 3rd person is "controlled", and our govt does not control people.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Zawisza View Post
    Why would you be surprised by a stupid argument coming from a libertarian, given your unusually condescending attitude towards their ilk?
    I said "almost". Didn't I?

    I'm not sure what you're getting worked about. A majority of the Southern population seemed to feel that Jim Crow served their interests, unless some form of anti-democratic political corruption I'm unaware of caused such things to be.
    Then again, denying 15% of the population rights with another 40-50% of the population in opposition to said denial, hardly seems like the "common good".

    You haven't outlined why you feel that, for example, illegal song downloading shouldn't be practiced.
    I have. Many times. You are stealing intellectual property you haven't paid for the right to use.

    It would seem to me that the definition of stealing necessarily entails infringing on the owner's ability to use property. Jacking someone's car certainly qualifies, but does a synthesized audio clip? What's your take?
    What's the use of synthesized audio? It's a good sold. Stealing it is no different than stealing cars being sold.

    You refer to the "age" justification for illegal intellectual property usage rather derisively. Do you feel that such property rights should be protected indefinitely?
    As long as the owner of the copyright can defend his ownership.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    It's not immoral to download any TV shows, music, movies, etc.

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    The question asks about old shows. I don't think it makes a difference what the age is. There are rights to property.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I guess my issue with piracy has always been -- was it all "ooh piracy sucks and I'm butthurt" when I videotaped a TV show on my VCR? How is it any different to videotape Game of Thrones while you are working, and watch it the next day, and download it from a website and watch it the next day?

    Same as recording songs off the radio, onto cassettes. Y'all do remember that technology, don't you? Is that music piracy, to record a song off the radio onto a blank tape?

    What's the difference??
    lack of means to mass distribute that tape with a few mouse clicks

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Some say its illegal to download a TV show (new or old) but then why do people legally use DVR's then? Bits are bits no matter how you obtained them....

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    For things like books, movies, and music copyright laws should last a maximum of 20-30 years. For things like technological advancements and such the copyrights should only last a maximum of 10-15 years.

    I understand wanting to leave things for your children and setting them up to have a better life than you did. But that is what money and actual physical property is for. Excessive copyrights are a detriment to society as a whole because they restrict advancements just because the "idea" is copyrighted as much as the actual product.

    I am also a big, HUGE believer in making knowledge freely available to everyone. Because of that I make a huge compromise in agreeing that some copyrighting is essential.
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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Meh, I do it out of convenience. Not going to put money into something unless I know I'm going to like it. I'll download something to see what it's like. If I like and it's available for sale at that time, I'll buy it. If not, then I'm not stuck with a 20 dollar pile of ****.
    Yeah, downloaded made "searching the bins" possible again. It's also one of the big reasons i miss the old p2p services. Due to the fact you could find someone who had similar tastes and raid their collection

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    Re: Is it immoral to download from unauthorized sources (c) TV shows over 39 years ol

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    lack of means to mass distribute that tape with a few mouse clicks
    No, instead of a few mouse clicks they would just push a couple of buttons to record onto another tape and then mass distribute it that way. The way it is done may be different but mass distributing happened just as much back then with cassette tapes as it is done today with the computer and internet.
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