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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    I don't think the issue is teachers with guns. It is qualified armed security or law enforcement in public schools. So I voted for the last - though I also STRONGLY believe there MUST be armed security in public schools since attendance is mandatory.

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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I understand the sentiment, and I understand the theory, but in practical reality I believe that allowing teachers to carry guns in the classroom would be one of the dumbest most boneheaded things our country has ever done.
    Nah, declaring schools to be gun free zones are more boneheaded.
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    1. It presumes all/most teachers would be capable. Not so, even with training.
    2. It gives potential shooters their first target and/or a source for additional weapons without having to sneak them in themselves. Could be an outsider or even students themselves.
    3. Teaching is very distracting, and it is impossible for a teacher to be aware of everything all at once, thus increasing the possibility of #2 above.
    4. Even without malicious intent, it's not unlikely that a student could somehow come into possession of the weapon and shoot someone.
    5. For all of the above, we'd have more shootings, and probably more deaths overall, albeit maybe fewer large-scale shootings.


    It's just poorly thought out.

    1. So no doubt you think the same of most citizens. Not capable even with training. Noted.

    2. I believe that if this is implemented those who would carry would not be announced though a student would probably figure it out. The issue of being an additional source of guns is mostly moot since they are willing to break the rules by bringing guns in the first place. They will bring all the weapons that are available to them plus ammo. The teachers weapon might use different ammo and thus be of limited use.

    3. Good teachers make themselves aware of what is going around them. There are poor teachers who do not and there needs to be fewer of them. This help thinning out the later.

    4. So your point is about students messing with guns. I suppose the school could educate on the topic since it is a school.

    5. I think there will be fewer deaths overall since schools are targets of opportunity. And is one area that mental health evaluations are more likely since the students are under observation more.
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Are these the same worthless,lazy,liburl teachers that are members of the same liburl lovin,money grubbin unions that people were whinning about and wanted to do away with just a couple of months ago and now you want to trust these same teachers and unions to carry guns in a class room. Now that's funny...
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    I think the choices need amended. I'd say the first part of #3 is must before thinking about #1 and #2 would go along with #3. Having said that, if state and federal laws allows a concealed weapon, I'm all for any and all teachers to carry/have in desk and then they would at least have the choice to decide how they would respond to some one with a gun. The teacher could always position herself where she is away from students before taking out the bad guy. The more that are carrying the more opportunities there are to take out the bad guy one on one. Like if the principal at Sandy Hook had been armed.

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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
    2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
    3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
    4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
    5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

    (Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
    I think teachers should get concealed carry class, once or twice a year training course, maybe a requirement that they have been teaching a couple of years or so that way we know they can handle the crap that kids may do.
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    1. Any teacher who wants to pack heat in her classroom may simply do so without any restrictions.
    2. A teacher must pass a simple gun safety course created by the school, then she's allowed to take a gun to her class.
    3. A teacher must get her state's concealed carry permit; then she's allowed a gun in her classroom. If her state has no such permit, the school creates a school carry permit and a test she must pass.
    4. A teacher must go through rigorous training program on gun safety, gunfights, criminology, etc. similar to what a police cadet would have to pass. At that point she's allowed a gun in her classroom and her pay is doubled as a result of her extra skill and responsibility.
    5. I do not support any policy that allows a teacher to have a gun in her classroom.

    (Note: I'm using the feminine pronouns here, but the teacher could also be male.)
    I'd support whatever the local consensus was. I don't believe it's in the purview of either the Fed or the State.

    However, I'm inclined to believe we should be teaching children about peaceable resolutions to problems instead of instilling an armed populace attitude. Gun training and attitudes should be taught at home, not at school. Kids have enough problems with their own violent tendencies, we don't need to encourage that in any way.
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    I don't want to sit in a classroom with an armed teacher, no thank you.
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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I'd support whatever the local consensus was. I don't believe it's in the purview of either the Fed or the State.

    However, I'm inclined to believe we should be teaching children about peaceable resolutions to problems instead of instilling an armed populace attitude. Gun training and attitudes should be taught at home, not at school. Kids have enough problems with their own violent tendencies, we don't need to encourage that in any way.
    Politicians never focus on the actual problems and therefore, "instilling an armed populace attitude" instead of teaching children is a side-effect. I agree with gun talk should be left to the family so, all of the counter-productive, over extreme reactions to children who may have something possibly similar in shaped to a gun; whose reasoning phase hasn't begun, needs to stop. Zero tolerance is absurd when dealing with pre-teens.

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    Re: Which (if any) of these guns in the classroom policies would you support?

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    Politicians never focus on the actual problems and therefore, "instilling an armed populace attitude" instead of teaching children is a side-effect. I agree with gun talk should be left to the family so, all of the counter-productive, over extreme reactions to children who may have something possibly similar in shaped to a gun; whose reasoning phase hasn't begun, needs to stop. Zero tolerance is absurd when dealing with pre-teens.

    As egregious as the school killings are, there has been way to much media attention to these events. They are a reflection of mental culture, not gun culture. I don't want a teacher with a gun making students feel intimidated. It is definitely not a problem with a bureaucratic solution. No guns in schools. No armed guards in schools. Metal detectors at each entry is OK.

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