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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    My congressman is OVER paid. Egregiously so. Federal judges I think are fairly or generouly compensated.
    Rank and file House members are paid $174,000 per year. An Associate Justice of the Supreme Court is paid $213,900 per year, Circuit Court judges are paid $184,500 per year, and District Court judges make $174,000 per year. If you think that's overpaid fro the job, you must live somewhere in the outer suburbs of Past-the-Old-Stump.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My brother in law just retired from a cushy gov job where he made 90K per year and openly bragged about how he spent most of the day shooting the breeze with other gov workers or reading books. He is now getting 70% of his pay and social security. It seems to me he is double dipping, getting a very generous retirement plan and SS. IMO if you are getting a tax payer funded retirement you are getting enough and should not get SS too.
    What was his job and where do I apply?

    I voted yes because most government workers don't get anywhere near the cushy experience your brother in-law did. Plus, anyone who pays into SS all those years should be eligible to collect it upon retirement.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    First off they don't work as hard as those in private industry. Secondly they were overpaid for 25 years or more and had great benefits. Last but not least 70% of your pay when you retire for the rest of your life is better than any private pension I have heard of and us tax payers are already on the hook for that, giving them SS too is salt in my open wound.
    My experience in the private sector is that some workers are getting richly rewarded for poor quality and quantity of work. Here is an example: To enter, cross the threshold, into a very high level engineering position where I worked you were required, among other things, to write a paper on leading edge engineering you were working on. It was best if the paper described technical stuff that no one else was aware of. One of my tasks was to review some of these papers that were in my area of expertise. One paper was beyond what I thought an applicant was capable of. With some research I found that it had been plagiarized from two other papers in a related field. I documented my findings. The result was that I was in trouble because he was a member of the correct church in the section he worked in. He was allowed to ‘edit’ the paper and the paper was accepted. I did a bit of research and found that in general he was not capable of doing the job he was being paid for, forget the promotion he got. My experience in the public sector (e.g. At the S.S. offices which we have been to many times because of relatives.) has been that the people we get assistance from there are very busy. When our issues are complex we ask for the ‘expert’ and actually get one after a wait. There are queues because they are overloaded, not because they are taking extended breaks. When some research has to be done and we need to come back days later we are remembered and answers and choices are presented.
    btw, where were you wounded?
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Food for thought. Hard to think of a Congressman as being an executive....
    Really? They run a lot of the show.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Our chief executive is at 4 to 6 hundred thousand...with un-matchable benefits....The Ford CEO is at perhaps ten times that. Something is out of balance and fairness here...
    Obama earns an annual $400K plus a $50K expense account for business related costs. The 100th highest paid private sector CEO would make about 40 times that. Something is definitely out of whack here.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Taxpayers are paying for the far cushier severance and retirement packages and bonuses of even mid-level coprorate executives. We just call them consumers when they do that. Same people, though. Including you.
    You don't have to buy things, you have a choice. taxes are paid or you go to jail, big difference.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    [SIZE=2]My experience in the private sector is that some workers are getting richly rewarded for poor quality and quantity of work. Here is an example: To enter, cross the threshold, into a very high level engineering position where I worked you were required, among other things, to write a paper on leading edge engineering you were working on. It was best if the paper described technical stuff that no one else was aware of. One of my tasks was to review some of these papers that were in my area of expertise. One paper was beyond what I thought an applicant was capable of. With some research I found that it had been plagiarized from two other papers in a related field. I documented my findings. The result was that I was in trouble because he was a member of the correct church in the section he worked in. He was allowed to ‘edit’ the paper and the paper was accepted. I did a bit of research and found that in general he was not capable of doing the job he was being paid for, forget the promotion he got. My experience in the public sector (e.g. At the S.S. offices which we have been to many times because of relatives.) has been that the people we get assistance from there are very busy. When our issues are complex we ask for the ‘expert’ and actually get one after a wait. There are queues because they are overloaded, not because they are taking extended breaks. When some research has to be done and we need to come back days later we are remembered and answers and choices are presented.
    btw, where were you wounded?[/SIZE]
    In the wallet!

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Second time asking for a link for your claims.
    Well, at least you couldn't have simply googled that one. The source itself is a Senate Finance Committee staff report from 2002 that is no longer on the internet. You can however still see those numbers referenced in the opening statement of Chairman Baucus at an October 2002 hearing on the strength of Social Security. The transcript of that hearing can be found here.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Obama earns an annual $400K plus a $50K expense account for business related costs. The 100th highest paid private sector CEO would make about 40 times that. Something is definitely out of whack here.
    Agreed. Obama is grossly overpaid for the quality (and quantity) of his work.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Consumers have choice. Taxpayers do not. Benefit packages, severance, bonuses and salaries are limited by profits in the private sector. In the public sector, there's this bottomless well called "taxes" to draw from.
    LOL! That certainly does explain why the 100th highest paid CEO only makes 40 times what the President of the United States does. It's all those private sector profit-constraints holding the CEOs back!

    Meanwhile, consumer choice is quite often an illusion in a corporate oligarchy. The freedom to choose between paying $3.75/gallon at an Exxon station or $3.75/gallon at a Shell station is not really freedom of choice.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My brother in law just retired from a cushy gov job where he made 90K per year and openly bragged about how he spent most of the day shooting the breeze with other gov workers or reading books. He is now getting 70% of his pay and social security. It seems to me he is double dipping, getting a very generous retirement plan and SS. IMO if you are getting a tax payer funded retirement you are getting enough and should not get SS too.
    It depends. if you were a federal worker covered by the old Civil Service Retirement System and retired you do not draw SS. You never paid into it as a federal worker. FERS employess pay into SS and it is part of the retirement package created by Congress in 1987.

    "Congress created the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS) in 1986, and it became effective on January 1, 1987. Since that time, new Federal civilian employees who have retirement coverage are covered by FERS.

    FERS is a retirement plan that provides benefits from three different sources: a Basic Benefit Plan, Social Security and the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP). Two of the three parts of FERS (Social Security and the TSP) can go with you to your next job if you leave the Federal Government before retirement. The Basic Benefit and Social Security parts of FERS require you to pay your share each pay period. Your agency withholds the cost of the Basic Benefit and Social Security from your pay as payroll deductions. Your agency pays its part too. Then, after you retire, you receive annuity payments each month for the rest of your life.

    The TSP part of FERS is an account that your agency automatically sets up for you. Each pay period your agency deposits into your account amount equal to 1% of the basic pay you earn for the pay period. You can also make your own contributions to your TSP account and your agency will also make a matching contribution. These contributions are tax-deferred. The Thrift Savings Plan is administered by the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board."

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    also , unless your brother in law produced the paperwork for you to see I doubt he is drawing 70% as retirement. He would have to have worked 40+years to even come close.

    on a side note I am a retired federal employee. Your brother in law should be ashamed if in fact he sat around and shooting the breeze instead of working. Guess I was brough up differnt. Days work for a days pay. People like him should be fired.

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