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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Congresspersons are BY FAR the most egregiously underpaid executives in America. The salaries of federal judges are also an abomination and should at least be doubled if we are to have any hope of continuing to attract competent much less exceptional candidates to these positions. People want to drive a Cadillac and pay for a Yugo. That never works out well.
    Food for thought.
    Hard to think of a Congressman as being an executive....
    Our chief executive is at 4 to 6 hundred thousand...with un-matchable benefits....The Ford CEO is at perhaps ten times that.
    Something is out of balance and fairness here...

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You describe it as "insurance," yet also claim it works like an individual retirement account. I therefore treat this with the all the seriousness it deserves.
    There is no law against being a fool. SS is meanwhile insurance, and the hazard insured against is the once-common risk of outliving one's capacity to earn a living. That point may come at different times in different people's lives, depending on one's physical condition and the type of work one engages in. Thus, some may need to take early-retirement at reduced benefits as early as age 62, some may take full-retirement with full benefits at age 66, some may take delayed-retirement with enhanced benefits as late as age 70, and some may wait even longer than that. And we mustn't foregt that roughly the equivalent of a $400K commercial life insurance policy and a $350K commercial disability insurance policy are thrown into the mix for all covered workers at no extra charge.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    If they paid into it then they deserve to get out of it. If you want to stop them from getting SS benefits, stop taking money out of their checks for it.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    So when a person's contributions go to pay for someone else's withdrawl, and the workforce grows and more contributions are made to support those who came before them, what would YOU call it?
    That's easy. Social Security is the most popular and successful social insurance program in the history of the world. Three generations of Americans have already been served and the system is sitting on a reserve of better than $2.7 trillion that will serve as a buffer in serving the next generation and quite probably one or two or more after that.

    You don't seem to understand that ALL insurance programs operate as SS does, and that what characterizes Ponzi schemes is lack of access to a source of income. That's pretty basic stuff to be trying to get along without.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    TAnd we mustn't foregt that roughly the equivalent of a $400K commercial life insurance policy and a $350K commercial disability insurance policy are thrown into the mix for all covered workers at no extra charge.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The difference is tax payers are paying your plush retirement fund if you retire from gov.
    Taxpayers are paying for the far cushier severance and retirement packages and bonuses of even mid-level coprorate executives. We just call them consumers when they do that. Same people, though. Including you.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Taxpayers are paying for the far cushier severance and retirement packages and bonuses of even mid-level coprorate executives. We just call them consumers when they do that. Same people, though. Including you.
    Consumers have choice. Taxpayers do not. Benefit packages, severance, bonuses and salaries are limited by profits in the private sector. In the public sector, there's this bottomless well called "taxes" to draw from.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    That's easy. Social Security is the most popular and successful social insurance program in the history of the world. Three generations of Americans have already been served and the system is sitting on a reserve of better than $2.7 trillion that will serve as a buffer in serving the next generation and quite probably one or two or more after that.

    You don't seem to understand that ALL insurance programs operate as SS does, and that what characterizes Ponzi schemes is lack of access to a source of income. That's pretty basic stuff to be trying to get along without.
    I didn't call it a Ponzi scheme. It's a pyramid scheme.

    So if the working population is reduced, such as it is now, there are fewer people funding that pyramid, but the payouts continue to go up. What happens when it inverts? It crashes......
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    First off they don't work as hard as those in private industry.
    Actually, a big eye-opener for those who leave federal service for the pirvate sector is what a hapless, sorry-ass mess of an operation is actually going on in so many places out there. Infighting, backstabbing, silos, bottlenecks, morons, turf wars, nepotism, blatant discrimination, wanton wastes of time, money and resources -- it's all enough to drive a lot of folks straight back into the government again.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Secondly they were overpaid for 25 years or more and had great benefits.
    Do you know why Goldman Sachs pays its people so well at such an early age? It's because they view themselevs as a high-end graduate school, and they want their people to be able to AFFORD to take a a few years off and go do a government job for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Last but not least 70% of your pay when you retire for the rest of your life is better than any private pension I have heard of and us tax payers are already on the hook for that, giving them SS too is salt in my open wound.
    Poor baby. The costs of FERS retirees are all paid for out of employer-employee contributions. Just as in the private sector. The costs of CSRS retirees are not fully covered. This is because prior to the creation of FERS, agencies were not required to (and didn't) make contrbutions to the system. Benefits were all paid for out of accrued employee contributions. The laws that created FERS changed that and agencies now do have to make contributions, but the hole left by their roughly 65-year absence plus interest thereon means that some general revenues are used to suipport CSRS benefits. Effectively, the last CSRS employees would have been hired by 1980, so the last of them will be out the door soon enough.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I just have to say I am very disappointed in the poll results thus far, I am a minority of one. It ain't easy bein me.
    Looks like you've picked up a sympathy vote in the past couple of hours. Justice-voters seem to be giving you the old Romney-Ryan treatment.

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