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Thread: Should retired government workers get SS

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not quite:
    Yes, quite! Your hapless USA Today numbers are a meaningless comparison of comparable JOB TITLES, not a comparison of comparable WORK. BLS and OPM have been required since 1990 to conduct detailed surveys and analyses by region to estimate the disparity between federal pay rates and prevailaing local pay rates for the same type and level of work. The pay-gap has at times been as low as 18%. In the most recent report, it was just over 24%...

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The difference is tax payers are paying your plush retirement fund if you retire from gov.
    So, if someone works for the government as hard as I worked in the private sector they don't deserve the same retirement benifits I got. OK, I understand your position.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So, if someone works for the government as hard as I worked in the private sector they don't deserve the same retirement benifits I got. OK, I understand your position.
    First off they don't work as hard as those in private industry. Secondly they were overpaid for 25 years or more and had great benefits. Last but not least 70% of your pay when you retire for the rest of your life is better than any private pension I have heard of and us tax payers are already on the hook for that, giving them SS too is salt in my open wound.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Who the heck relies on social security as their only retirement?
    90% of seniors receive Social Security. Among seniors, about half of married couples and three-quarters of singles receive at least half of their total income from SS. About one-fourth of married couples and one-half of singles receive at least 90% of their total income from SS.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Yes, before 1984 there was a different system and Fed employees didn't pay into SS, but it became much less generous and they pay into SS
    A FERS pension is much less generous than a CSRS pension because it is on the order of one-tenth the size. But an SS pension in addition, plus what a few people can manage to do with all those extra 401-k contributions can certainly lead to total FERS benefits that exceed total CSRS benefits. Still, the vast majority of FERS people would tell you that they wish they had had the CSRS option available to them. They would nearly all be happy to trade a little extra freedom for a little extra security. And Ben Franklin would have been as well if he were alive today.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    I just have to say I am very disappointed in the poll results thus far, I am a minority of one. It ain't easy bein me.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Yes, quite! Your hapless USA Today numbers are a meaningless comparison of comparable JOB TITLES, not a comparison of comparable WORK. BLS and OPM have been required since 1990 to conduct detailed surveys and analyses by region to estimate the disparity between federal pay rates and prevailaing local pay rates for the same type and level of work. The pay-gap has at times been as low as 18%. In the most recent report, it was just over 24%...

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    You pay into social security....so after retirement you should get that money you paid into it...back...that is the entire plan of social security.
    Social Security is a goverment charitable work. Nobody is entitled to it. The Supreme Court was quite clear about that.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A defined benefit plan is the most generous pension plan on planet earth. As a taxpayer, it would please me no end if these defined benefit plans disappeared in the public sector. They will . . . it'll just take a while.
    No one can make such a claim. One dollar per year is a defined-benefit plan. I'm quite confident that this would not be the most generous pension plan on the planet. I would suggest here that you may be related to the Koch brothers, or that you have spent far too much time listening to corporate propaganda.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    No one can make such a claim. One dollar per year is a defined-benefit plan. I'm quite confident that this would not be the most generous pension plan on the planet. I would suggest here that you may be related to the Koch brothers, or that you have spent far too much time listening to corporate propaganda.
    Having owned my own business with up to six employees for 20 years, I can assure you my knowledge is first-hand. Of course it depends on what the "defined benefit" is -- if it's 1% of pay, then it's quite obviously not a generous plan. That, however, is NOT the case in the public sector -- which is pretty much the only place Defined Benefit Plans exist.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Congresspersons are BY FAR the most egregiously underpaid executives in America. Ths salaries of federal judges are also an abomination and should at least be doubled if we are to have any hope of continuing to attract competent much less exceptional candidates to these positions. People want to drive a Cadillac and pay for a Yugo. That never works out well.
    My congressman is OVER paid. Egregiously so. Federal judges I think are fairly or generouly compensated.
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