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Thread: Should retired government workers get SS

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My brother in law just retired from a cushy gov job where he made 90K per year and openly bragged about how he spent most of the day shooting the breeze with other gov workers or reading books. He is now getting 70% of his pay and social security. It seems to me he is double dipping, getting a very generous retirement plan and SS. IMO if you are getting a tax payer funded retirement you are getting enough and should not get SS too.
    Well I guess I have the crazy viewpoint that a government employee is just like any other employee....they provide their talents/time and receive a payment for those services/time based on the contract. If you don't like the contract or payment then have it changed. This idea that government employee's are slaves to tax payers or have different rights is just bull****. I'm tired of the next group of middle class Americans to have a target on their back for conservative Americans.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So when my extended family members don't save, invest, get insurance, have a will properly done, etc., contary to our 'input', what do you suggest I do? BTW, it sure has been easier on us that they were forced to save for retirement, i.e. SS. Then there are our neighbors at one of our homes. I think it's apparent that some people have just SS when they retire since their homes aren't well maintained since they don't have the funds for that, but that is OK with me.
    What do I suggest you do?

    Nothing.

    It's their problem.

    Like I said, under my idea, there would be government shelters for them if it got that bad.

    And if you are worried that they will try and mooch off of you - then you better get tough and learn to say 'no' OR get ready to fork over your money to them.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    From you wikipedia link...



    ...further...
    Sorry I fail to see your point

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not quite:

    Accountants, nurses, chemists, surveyors, cooks, clerks and janitors are among the wide range of jobs that get paid more on average in the federal government than in the private sector.
    Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com
    I had to comment on this one. I've talked to Fed surveyors and the work they do doesn't even come close to being as easy as the average private sector surveyor's. If this is an example of their comparisons then it's crap and should be ignored.


    It's already been widely recognized that the bottom end of Fed jobs pay more than private, you actually make a living wage at the low end if you work for the Fed. ((Of course, IBM and Microsoft pay their janitors pretty good, too.)) On the flip side, the higher-paid Federal professionals and technical personal get paid much less on average than their private sector counter-parts, and those are the ones most people target because of their "outrageous" pensions. As someone noted earlier, though, the point is moot since Fed employees don't have that system anymore.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    If you are managing HR there, you are damaging the interests of yourself and any other stockholders.
    If your down my spelling friend as your critique then you may as well hang it up. I dont generally proof read threads for spelling punctuation ect. Thats what I use a secretary for when writing proffesionally. This isnt proffesional by a long shot.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If your down my spelling friend as your critique then you may as well hang it up. I dont generally proof read threads for spelling punctuation ect. Thats what I use a secretary for when writing proffesionally. This isnt proffesional by a long shot.

    Business doesnt hire people unless it helps them make money. They are not charities. The bottom line, is the bottom line.
    True, but your post didn't refute CF's contentiont that it's wasteful to fire an employee simply because they screwed someone one. Once an emplyee has been trained, there is a cost associated with terminating their employment.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True, but your post didn't refute CF's contentiont that it's wasteful to fire an employee simply because they screwed someone one. Once an emplyee has been trained, there is a cost associated with terminating their employment.
    Actually I did. Continuing to employ an employee the three major risk factors (Liability, business retention, profit) must be in harmony in order for a employer to keep them around. Like I told CF employees should be treated just like any other investment for the most part. You do not chase good money after bad you cut bait, the sooner the better. An error in judgement was made. It needs to be recognized as soon as possible and corrected.

    In the particular case of another employee screwing another that is none of the employers business, UNLESS it impinges upon one of the risk factors. If it does then the employee must be removed. Case in point. Employee supervisor screws employee under their supervision. Business now faces a potential liability problem which may hurt the company very badly. Solution cut bait with both because both fail to utilize good judgement. Note: this presumes both dont heed prior notification that to their aged over brains and should have athe fraternization was not going to be tolerated and more importantly the reason why. (Which should have been explained to both BEFORE they were hired. People have a tendency to be stupid when their hormones are engaged and there should be allowance to account for it.) Total time table would be a week. If possible in the organization the two would be split into different sections away from the other. That was just one of many scenarios. That doesnt mean that employees cant be salvaged it just means that the effort to salvage must have an immeadiate or close to immeadiate payoff with minimal payout. The payout must be less than termination costs and the risk factors must return to harmony near immeadiately. Otherwise one begins chasing a bad investment. And that is even worse for the bottom line.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Sorry I fail to see your point
    Cardinal Fang commented that the SS Trust Fund surplus is invested and earned interest. You seemed skeptical (your "REALLY?" comment) that either the SS Trust Fund was invested and earned interest (your WALL STREET access comment) or that there is even a surplus in the first place to be able to earn interest.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If your down my spelling friend as your critique then you may as well hang it up. I dont generally proof read threads for spelling punctuation ect. Thats what I use a secretary for when writing proffesionally. This isnt proffesional by a long shot.

    Business doesnt hire people unless it helps them make money. They are not charities. The bottom line, is the bottom line.
    Your rule seems reasonable but my observations have been different than yours. I've been in a situation in a large corporation where church membership was far more important than performance. I'm sure that my situation was not unusual.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Your rule seems reasonable but my observations have been different than yours. I've been in a situation in a large corporation where church membership was far more important than performance. I'm sure that my situation was not unusual.
    Your right about some business's hiring criteria and what not. However it still boils down to being able to make a profit. A lot of times organizations that hire like that can get away with that type of practice, and it maybe a good way to get good reliable employees. I dont know. I myself havent tried that route. There's more than one way to skin a cat. But in the end the bottom line still counts. Did you make a profit? A healthy business generates profit very consistantly over time. Without it the company will eventually die.
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